Whats the big deal about RS?
07-06-2002, 11:34 PM
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Not quite, not enough 47.
It is fairly well established that approximately 700 RSA's were built. There is not a huge stash of RSA's in a South African diamond mine, waiting to be sold car by car to maintain an artificial price.
As has been stated the stock RSA outperforms, albeit only slightly in some areas, the stock C2.
No matter how much a C2 is modified to equal or exceed the performance of an RSA, it is still only a modified C2 and will likely not command the price an RSA currently does. Also, the RSA's value is slowly increasing - I can sell mine now for more than I paid for it in 1996 - but the same cannot be said for the C2.
It all comes down to personal preference. If you cannot justify the purchase of an RSA, or it just doesn't appeal to you, then don't buy it. If you want to drive a car that is an absolute blast to drive out of the box, i.e., sans modification, then I recommend an RSA. There are many stories - here and elsewhere - of guys selling their C2s and C4s after taking a ride in an RSA, but I've never heard a story of the reverse.
Just my (somewhat biased) $0.02.
It is fairly well established that approximately 700 RSA's were built. There is not a huge stash of RSA's in a South African diamond mine, waiting to be sold car by car to maintain an artificial price.
As has been stated the stock RSA outperforms, albeit only slightly in some areas, the stock C2.
No matter how much a C2 is modified to equal or exceed the performance of an RSA, it is still only a modified C2 and will likely not command the price an RSA currently does. Also, the RSA's value is slowly increasing - I can sell mine now for more than I paid for it in 1996 - but the same cannot be said for the C2.
It all comes down to personal preference. If you cannot justify the purchase of an RSA, or it just doesn't appeal to you, then don't buy it. If you want to drive a car that is an absolute blast to drive out of the box, i.e., sans modification, then I recommend an RSA. There are many stories - here and elsewhere - of guys selling their C2s and C4s after taking a ride in an RSA, but I've never heard a story of the reverse.
Just my (somewhat biased) $0.02.
07-07-2002, 12:35 AM
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Lest I be accused of being an RSA snob, here's the bottom line: find a car YOU like, one that makes YOU happy, and don't worry about what everyone else is driving. As long as YOU are happy with YOUR car, be it a Porsche, a Ferrari, a VW or any other make and model on the face of this planet, why would you care what anyone else thinks?
07-07-2002, 07:40 PM
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Thanx for coming clean Rich, I have been following this thread and you RSA owners are starting to sound like 993 owners more than 964 owners. I agree w/ your statement about not caring what someone else drives if you enjoy your ride. For the record I wouldn't trade my cabriolet for 3 RSA's(1 red,1 black,1 white,or what have you) and I have no desire to purchase one in addition to my cab.,that essentially makes a RSA worthless to me, unless of course they were the only 964's on the planet, then I would have ONE in white.
My own opinion is that a RSA was a gimmick made up by marketing when business was slow to be able to sell "cheaper Porsches" in a hurting market(early '90's).
Again only 1 persons opinion.
peace out.....
Thanx for coming clean Rich, I have been following this thread and you RSA owners are starting to sound like 993 owners more than 964 owners. I agree w/ your statement about not caring what someone else drives if you enjoy your ride. For the record I wouldn't trade my cabriolet for 3 RSA's(1 red,1 black,1 white,or what have you) and I have no desire to purchase one in addition to my cab.,that essentially makes a RSA worthless to me, unless of course they were the only 964's on the planet, then I would have ONE in white.
My own opinion is that a RSA was a gimmick made up by marketing when business was slow to be able to sell "cheaper Porsches" in a hurting market(early '90's).
Again only 1 persons opinion.
peace out.....
07-07-2002, 09:12 PM
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Gee, Geo, I wonder which side of the fence you're on...
I've never stated the RSA is the be-all end-all of Porsches. I happen to enjoy mine immensely, and I'm willing to share that enthusiasm with those who are interested. But someday I will likely sell/trade for a newer, sexier model. Such is the nature of automobile ownership.
I really don't understand your statement about the gimmick. Only 700 cars were sold over two years. What were the comparable C2 numbers for the same period? Did the RSA sales make up a significant percentage of sales for the 93 and 94 model years?
And I'm glad you love your C2 cab. Good for you, because you get it!
I've never stated the RSA is the be-all end-all of Porsches. I happen to enjoy mine immensely, and I'm willing to share that enthusiasm with those who are interested. But someday I will likely sell/trade for a newer, sexier model. Such is the nature of automobile ownership.
I really don't understand your statement about the gimmick. Only 700 cars were sold over two years. What were the comparable C2 numbers for the same period? Did the RSA sales make up a significant percentage of sales for the 93 and 94 model years?
And I'm glad you love your C2 cab. Good for you, because you get it!
07-08-2002, 12:46 AM
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High,
maybe I was a little on the harsh side earlier,
I would take a RS America over any form of 993(yes even a cab)or 996. however 700 units I dont really consider makes it a rarity. Something like a cupcar(50?), or a turbo S2(20?), Turbo S(?), these are the real finds. About the gimmick remark, you know what the factory built into the RS on the other side of the pond, and what they did for the RS america over here, it really isnt that hard to figure out., However I do think your car is great.
maybe I was a little on the harsh side earlier,
I would take a RS America over any form of 993(yes even a cab)or 996. however 700 units I dont really consider makes it a rarity. Something like a cupcar(50?), or a turbo S2(20?), Turbo S(?), these are the real finds. About the gimmick remark, you know what the factory built into the RS on the other side of the pond, and what they did for the RS america over here, it really isnt that hard to figure out., However I do think your car is great.
07-08-2002, 02:45 PM
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See 14 RSAs for sale at <a href="http://www.rsamerica.net." target="_blank">www.rsamerica.net.</a> The average asking price for those is $43.2k. Prices range from $32k to $66k (track car with many upgrades), while six are under $40k. Average milage for the 11 reporting milage is 45.4k miles; range is 10k miles to 80k miles. Only four of those are listed as track cars, but most have probably been tracked some. There are several blacks, reds, and whites; one silver and one turquoise (only one of that color built for only $40k, if you want real rare). Another one with a rare history is the white Brumos race car (PCA C stock) for only $52k.
My guess is that you should be able to find a good one without many upgrades for $35 to $37k. I can't remember which recent issue of Excellence gave a market update on the 964s, but actual selling (not asking) prices for RSAs have been hard to nail down. I paid $42k for a very good one with some performance upgrades and extra wheel/tires 5 years ago, but I wouldn't take $42k for it today. BTW (since you have an '88 coupe), I sold my '88 coupe about 4 years ago for $25k, and still see them advertized for that price or higher today.
See 14 RSAs for sale at <a href="http://www.rsamerica.net." target="_blank">www.rsamerica.net.</a> The average asking price for those is $43.2k. Prices range from $32k to $66k (track car with many upgrades), while six are under $40k. Average milage for the 11 reporting milage is 45.4k miles; range is 10k miles to 80k miles. Only four of those are listed as track cars, but most have probably been tracked some. There are several blacks, reds, and whites; one silver and one turquoise (only one of that color built for only $40k, if you want real rare). Another one with a rare history is the white Brumos race car (PCA C stock) for only $52k.
My guess is that you should be able to find a good one without many upgrades for $35 to $37k. I can't remember which recent issue of Excellence gave a market update on the 964s, but actual selling (not asking) prices for RSAs have been hard to nail down. I paid $42k for a very good one with some performance upgrades and extra wheel/tires 5 years ago, but I wouldn't take $42k for it today. BTW (since you have an '88 coupe), I sold my '88 coupe about 4 years ago for $25k, and still see them advertized for that price or higher today.
07-08-2002, 02:49 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by agent325:
<strong>what is a reasonable price to pay for a fair milage car in good condition? After I sell my car, i think i want a RSA</strong><hr></blockquote>
About $10k less than a standard 964, depending on the RSA's options.
Sorry guys, all in good fun.
<strong>what is a reasonable price to pay for a fair milage car in good condition? After I sell my car, i think i want a RSA</strong><hr></blockquote>
About $10k less than a standard 964, depending on the RSA's options.
Sorry guys, all in good fun.
07-09-2002, 10:19 PM
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Geo,
I couldn't agree with you more about the Euro RS. That's what I think the RSA should have been, although all the emissions junk would still have it less than 300 HP. <img src="graemlins/cussing.gif" border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" />
I couldn't agree with you more about the Euro RS. That's what I think the RSA should have been, although all the emissions junk would still have it less than 300 HP. <img src="graemlins/cussing.gif" border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" />
07-10-2002, 04:39 AM
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would some of you guys agree that the RSA kinda resembles 3.2 carrera based on its simplicity (no power steering, lighter wieght, louder, and raw feel of a sports car.
I am going to upgrade from my '88 carrera coupe soon, but dont want to lose the raw feeling that the earlier cars provided. on the other hand I want the modern amenities that the 964 and the 993 provide.
I have been really leaning twords a 993 based on the attractive prices as of late compared to a year ago, but also like the rarity of the RSA. I think i'm gonna look for both and buy the best car for the best deal. There have been some decent bargins for '95 993s, but i cannot justify paying over $40,000 for a RSA.
I am going to upgrade from my '88 carrera coupe soon, but dont want to lose the raw feeling that the earlier cars provided. on the other hand I want the modern amenities that the 964 and the 993 provide.
I have been really leaning twords a 993 based on the attractive prices as of late compared to a year ago, but also like the rarity of the RSA. I think i'm gonna look for both and buy the best car for the best deal. There have been some decent bargins for '95 993s, but i cannot justify paying over $40,000 for a RSA.
07-10-2002, 02:43 PM
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Except for the very noticable absence of power steering, I think the driving feel of the RSA resembles that of other C2s more than it does your '88. The RSA is still heavier than your car, and is probably quieter than your car (at least with OE exhaust, but who stills has that?), but it's also quicker than your car. Thus, I don't consider "raw" a very accurate descriptor. But raw applies even less to the 993, and, with equal suspension and wheels/tires, they are quicker than the RSAs. In short, each new edition has gotten both more refined and quicker than the one before it. We don't need raw, we need speed.
Except for the very noticable absence of power steering, I think the driving feel of the RSA resembles that of other C2s more than it does your '88. The RSA is still heavier than your car, and is probably quieter than your car (at least with OE exhaust, but who stills has that?), but it's also quicker than your car. Thus, I don't consider "raw" a very accurate descriptor. But raw applies even less to the 993, and, with equal suspension and wheels/tires, they are quicker than the RSAs. In short, each new edition has gotten both more refined and quicker than the one before it. We don't need raw, we need speed.
07-10-2002, 07:16 PM
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FYI Red Book claims the following production #s for US Spec RS America:
1992 298
1993 450
1994 144
That totals: 892 imported into the US/Canada
For the same 3 model years(1992-1994), 1,691 Coupes, 1,875 Cabs, 348 Targas and 775 Turbos were also imported.
If this were only about exclusivity, the Targas would be demanding a larger premium than the RSAs!
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1992 298
1993 450
1994 144
That totals: 892 imported into the US/Canada
For the same 3 model years(1992-1994), 1,691 Coupes, 1,875 Cabs, 348 Targas and 775 Turbos were also imported.
If this were only about exclusivity, the Targas would be demanding a larger premium than the RSAs!
<img src="graemlins/icon107.gif" border="0" alt="[icon107]" />
