George Stevens

[quote] but the European RS has: cloth interior <hr></blockquote>

Sorry to sound like a sad fanatic but this is untrue, Customer Euro RS's were produced in three models

The touring version had leather covered standard C2 sports seats, the sports version had leather covered lightweight Recaro's, the club sport version had Nomex covered Recaro's

You can't really compare a RSA to a euro RS the RSA is essentially based on a stock C2 (similar to the 1988 3.2 Carrera club sport) where the euro RS was a separate model a bespoke vehicle more in the spirit of the original 1973 2.7 RS.

Adrian

Dear George,
Your versions of the 964 RS need a little translation because you have quoted the UK explanation not the factory one.
Basic Version = what you call Sports Version
NGT Version = what you call Club Sports Version
Touring Version = same because only 11 were built and they were for the UK only.
The majority built were basics and 290 NGTs (I think that number is correct).
Ciao,
Adrian
911C4

PS: Basic, NGT and Touring can all be found referenced in the maint manual.

Carrera51

In 1993, when my old man bought his C2, the dealership had a white RSA, with no sunroof, no A/C, and if I remember correctly, manual windows. It was a totally bare bones RSA. He offered to sell it to may dad for $42K (if I remember correctly). Fast forward to 1998 when dad and I dove into DE. Dad still thinks of that RSA.

Hindsight is always 20/20.

joey bagadonuts

What are we going to do without George? C'mon man, get a C2! You'll go crazy in that M3.

JC in NY

Obviously the price of the RS America reflects the rarity and collectible status of this vehicle and has little to do with the actual hardware.

Assuming you don't care about owning a real RS America you can build a better RS America starting with a regular C2. You could take out some interior parts to make it lighter and add a RS or Cup suspension. Then you could out handle a real RS America one on the track.

blake

Don't knock the RS. As an owner of a 94 Speedster and a 79 SC Targa, I have always been a Porsche nut. In fact, I had the 93 RS America brochure hanging above my desk in college and it is STILL hanging above my deck at work as we speak. Unlike other C2s (my Speedster included), the steering feel of the RSA is what blows my mind. It provides tremendous driver feedback (you can feel every pebble) and is very similar to my SC (except it has 247hp). My Speedster drives differently. I can always push an RSA much further than my Speedster because of that special power-assisted feedback...

From the 93 brochure:
"Driving off, the sensations through the steering wheel are as lucid as though there were no power-assisted steering (but power-assisted it is, and none is acknowledged to be finer).

Why don't I own one? Well, I don't have time to track one here in Utah (we don't have Leguna Seca or Lime Rock to entice me) but it is on my list.

Christer

I have said this before, but I think the higher value of RSA's these days is due to the cunning use of the word 'America' in the model type. It appeals to the obsessive patriot inside most travellers that have come to settle in the US.

Never have I seen such patriotism as the time last year when I was on holiday in Mexico. There was chanting of 'U-S-A, U-S-A...etc' (repeat for at least 40 times, 20 times per day) on the beach if there was at least one American on the team which won the last point at beach volleyball. Frequently, there would be groups of people coming back past our bedroom door at 4am, drunj out of their patriotic minds chanting.....you guessed it ' U-S-A., U-S-A' and shouting things like 'WE ROCK.....YEAH!!!!'

Anyway, I guess you get the picture. I think all car manufacturers would make a killing in the US if they followed suit.

I am going to sell this idea to BMW. Next year with any luck there will be a M3A - M3 America. This model will sell for $40000 more than the base model but without any equipment. It will have stiffer front suspension though......

peter_964rs

Hello

I need to prepare a one-pager on the 964RS (euro-spec) - what it is, what makes it different from the C2, etc. This is for a display of RS's at a "show" later this month.

Can anyone point me at an authoritative internet resource that would provide me with that info?

Cheers

Peter

johnfm

There is an article in the latest issue of GT magazine on the 964RS nad 993RS.

Bill Gregory

[quote]<strong>I need to prepare a one-pager on the 964RS (euro-spec) - what it is, what makes it different from the C2, etc. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Peter,

There was a very good article written by Bob Gagnon, which originally appeared in the PCA magazine Panorama in May 1993, entitled "Lightweight Carrera Confusion". It is also reprinted in the Up-Fixin series, Volume 10, also available from PCA. It compares, in detail, the C2, RS America, Carrera RS, and Carrera Cup (USA) models. There used to be a softcopy of it posted on <a href="http://www.lynchracing.com," target="_blank">www.lynchracing.com,</a> but is no longer there. You might contact Rob@lynchracing.com to see if he could send you the softcopy files. (note he had permission from the author to post it).

George Stevens

Peter

I have done quite a bit of research on the RS try my own website, this might help.

<a href="http://members.rennlist.com/rslightweight/" target="_blank">RS Web Pages</a>

peter_964rs

[quote]Originally posted by George Stevens:
<strong>Peter

I have done quite a bit of research on the RS try my own website, this might help.

<a href="http://members.rennlist.com/rslightweight/" target="_blank">RS Web Pages</a></strong><hr></blockquote>

Cheers, do you mind if I plagarise some of the text? It's for a stand with RS's on it at the PCGB show at Braham Park in a couple of week's time. Just needs a placard or info sheet on the front to explain what the cars are for passers-by.

George Stevens

Help yourself Peter

have a good weekend!!!

clubrcr

I have a 1992 USA Carrera Cup car. Before I bought it, I looked at the comparisons between the RSAs, Euro RS and the street Cup cars.

There are major differences bewteen the standard C2 and RSAs.

There are a few items that I need to correct. The RSAs are not seam welded, they did not come from the factory with turbo or cross drilled brakes, although they did have a stiffer suspension set up and lightweight interior components. The car had soundproofing and many creature comforts as the regular C2, i.e. some had sunroofs, AC, and a radio. The car was not comparable to a euro RS, which was more expensive and sold as a true club car.

I think the popularity has been based around the popularity of Porsche events becoming so popular. This car gives you the best of both world, a daily driver and a track car for a reasonable price. The car wasn't that rare. If you look at the number of US Club Sport cars and the number US Carrera Cup cars that were imported, the RSA was high.

Jim Newman

not enough 47

After asking the questions and then reading the response’s, I conclude RS are similar to diamonds: a false perception of value! Most people know that diamonds are not rare and in fact are price fixed by DeBeers. But if you have two people believing that they are, then the price is what ever your convinced its worth. RS's should be no more valuable than a standard C2 and perhaps less. What do you think, “Wrong” or “Right”?