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Old 09-11-2014, 01:11 PM
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Default IDLE problem: rough and misfiring warm engine

A friend of mine has an '86 951.
From cold the car is fine, but after warm up the idle is rough, many misfiring and often shut off.
We changed RPM and REF sensors, engine coolant sensor, cap and rotor, spark plugs, and checked for vacuum leaks.
What else?
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Still have the stock AFM?

Years ago I had an issue with mine - the door inside was sticking. Caused sputters and stumbles once the car warmed up, as idle speed was lower once warm so the door was operating in a sticky area.
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Originally Posted by joker2cv
From cold the car is fine, but after warm up the idle is rough, many misfiring and often shut off. We changed RPM and REF sensors, engine coolant sensor, cap and rotor, spark plugs, and checked for vacuum leaks.
Which temp sensor...the one off the water neck or the one between cylinders 1 and 2?

Maybe a sticking/gummed up ICV? Has it been removed/cleaned with [something like] carburetor cleaner?
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The blue temperature sensor in the cylinder head. The AFM is fine...
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Use the bypass method described on clarks-garage for idle adjustment. This will bypass the idle stabilizer and identify or roll out this as an issue
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Ok, i'll try 😎
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Today i try to set the idle bypassing the ICV as per clark's, and i can set the idle at 840 rpm.
The car now idles fine but if i press the throttle a little bit the engine stumble and misfire ONLY between 1200 and 1500 rpm. With this problem the car is not drivable.

For remind:
RPM and REF sensors checked and adjusted
TPS checked and adjusted
AFM checked
TEMP sensor checked
SPARK, WIRES, DISTRIBUTOR and rotor new
Vacuum leaks checked
SWAP Klr & DME from other car DONE

What else should i do?
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Originally Posted by joker2cv
Today i try to set the idle bypassing the ICV as per clark's, and i can set the idle at 840 rpm.
The car now idles fine but if i press the throttle a little bit the engine stumble and misfire ONLY between 1200 and 1500 rpm. With this problem the car is not drivable.

For remind:
RPM and REF sensors checked and adjusted
TPS checked and adjusted
AFM checked
TEMP sensor checked
SPARK, WIRES, DISTRIBUTOR and rotor new
Vacuum leaks checked
SWAP Klr & DME from other car DONE

What else should i do?
You have a bad injector. Time to order a new set
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Injectors has been cleaned and bench tested...
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I checked ignition at the primary of the coil with a LED and from 1200 & 1500 rpm there are firing missing. What can i do now? I havn't an oscilloscope to check the rpm and ref sensors
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Originally Posted by joker2cv
Injectors has been cleaned and bench tested...
Professionally or you did yourself? I've had a few 944s with those exact symptoms also after changing everything else plausible and a new set of injectors fixed it everytime.
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Originally Posted by joker2cv
I checked ignition at the primary of the coil with a LED and from 1200 & 1500 rpm there are firing missing. What can i do now? I havn't an oscilloscope to check the rpm and ref sensors
Also they are easy to remove and clean, most times they get covered in clutch dust but I doubt that's the cause, doesn't hurt to wipe them up though
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The injectors have been professionally cleaned and checked. 99% is an electrical problem. I'm thinking to rpm and ref sensors wiring...


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