C7 Ride
10-30-2013, 03:39 PM
#61
Race Car
The interior in the Corvette has ALWAYS been an issue. It has always been the main discussion towards owning one and there has always been an admitted problem with it. Saying that there isn't shows true ignorance in the matter. I'm not sure about you, but I actually drive my car, and in that situation, I am surrounded by the interior, so the interior is a high priority for me. Is that really that hard to understand?
The rest of your sophomoric tirade is not deserving of a response.
10-30-2013, 03:56 PM
#63
Rennlist Member
Rob - Lets get real here! In the TB thread you basically insulted us for looking at bigger diameter throttle bodies in high power applications. In your superior wisdom you deemed it not necessary even though you had no evidence to back up your claims. I was looking at it because some "purists" on this board who had experience suggested it. Not only did I measure the pressure drop across the stock TB and found it to be high, I installed a larger TB and dyno'd the difference clearly demonstrating its benefits. This is all documented here. The infamous fifth injector has worked out fine as well and the list goes on and on.
If you are going to go about insulting people you need to a least make sure you are right.
If you are going to go about insulting people you need to a least make sure you are right.
10-30-2013, 03:56 PM
#64
At the time I built my 944 LSx swap two years ago, C5s were not going for 10k, but more like 15-20k. The only reason they are closer to 10k now is due to the C7 coming out.
So I should STFU then, huh? How about this. Try not to use a strawman to make an example and totally go away from what I was saying. Did I not say 80's German interiors? Why even mention the 986/996? I could care less about the 986/996 and their ****ty interiors. I like the 944 interior over the C5 interior, and I know a lot of people who agree with me.
This thread has gone from unjustified hate for the C7, to over-praising the C5, to bashing the swap cars again. You guys wouldn't be praising the C5 if it weren't for the LS1 in it. Why can't I have the best of both worlds?
I swear, you purists are really making this community a sh*tty place to be. It's like you guys want to be 911 owners and make fun of the Caymans/Boxters/928s/944s/etc. of the Porsche world. It's illogical and down right the dumbest argument that I STILL encounter today.
Maybe all of you should STFU?
So I should STFU then, huh? How about this. Try not to use a strawman to make an example and totally go away from what I was saying. Did I not say 80's German interiors? Why even mention the 986/996? I could care less about the 986/996 and their ****ty interiors. I like the 944 interior over the C5 interior, and I know a lot of people who agree with me.
This thread has gone from unjustified hate for the C7, to over-praising the C5, to bashing the swap cars again. You guys wouldn't be praising the C5 if it weren't for the LS1 in it. Why can't I have the best of both worlds?
I swear, you purists are really making this community a sh*tty place to be. It's like you guys want to be 911 owners and make fun of the Caymans/Boxters/928s/944s/etc. of the Porsche world. It's illogical and down right the dumbest argument that I STILL encounter today.
Maybe all of you should STFU?
10-30-2013, 04:15 PM
#65
Three Wheelin'
Whats up with all the hate on the 986/996 interiors? 
My 986 has a savannah leather interior with sport seats and a three spoke steering wheel, I like it as much as my 951. Some of the early 986s did have **** interiors though with that weird plastic material on the dashboard and door panels...
My 986 has a savannah leather interior with sport seats and a three spoke steering wheel, I like it as much as my 951. Some of the early 986s did have **** interiors though with that weird plastic material on the dashboard and door panels...
10-30-2013, 04:27 PM
#66
10hp gains on a dyno in which a couple of variables changed since then (IATs, injector setup, et all were easily not mentioned by you) does not warrant a bigger throttle body. The only reason I saw a possible improvement in your setup was the higher displacement, which is not discussed at all in that thread, so you have people with 2.5L builds buying these throttle bodies for no reason at all.
I'm not one to question Dave's knowledge. Yours, on the other hand...
10-30-2013, 05:30 PM
#68
Intermediate
10hp gains on a dyno in which a couple of variables changed since then (IATs, injector setup, et all were easily not mentioned by you) does not warrant a bigger throttle body. The only reason I saw a possible improvement in your setup was the higher displacement, which is not discussed at all in that thread, so you have people with 2.5L builds buying these throttle bodies for no reason at all.
And as for that fifth injector, last time I checked, you had turned it off, increased rail pressure, and are only running on four injectors now. Did you run the fifth injector at the track at all? Not like you pushed the car enough to find out anyway. Why don't you fully disclose what you do these days?
And as for that fifth injector, last time I checked, you had turned it off, increased rail pressure, and are only running on four injectors now. Did you run the fifth injector at the track at all? Not like you pushed the car enough to find out anyway. Why don't you fully disclose what you do these days?
P.S.
Haven't you learned to quit bringing logic and facts on to RL?
10-30-2013, 05:30 PM
#69
How was your birthday? Go to the strip club?
10-30-2013, 05:48 PM
#70
How about you?
10-30-2013, 06:12 PM
#71
I am a no-life keyboard warrior machinist who hangs out with a bunch of GrandAM engineers who discuss this crap and the practical math behind it for fun. I spent half my high-school career reverse engineering 90's BMW ECUs, because school was boring. Is that what you wanted to hear?
Lets face it the LSx doesn't even have reverse cooling. LT1 or bust.
10-30-2013, 06:26 PM
#72
I am a no-life keyboard warrior machinist who hangs out with a bunch of GrandAM engineers who discuss this crap and the practical math behind it for fun. I spent half my high-school career reverse engineering 90's BMW ECUs, because school was boring. Is that what you wanted to hear?
I've built a lot of cars in my day. I used to work for a vehicle manufacturer writing engine control software. I grew up with a father who was a mechanic. Most of my old family friends are old school gear heads. I helped found an LS-x based performance company. I also have a lot of good friends in the racing industry - including a few ACTUAL Grand-Am employees. One thing I've learned... the nerdy engineer types who throw math equations around all the time DON'T know everything. Let me bestow upon you a phrase a very wise man shared with me once (the guy who authored the IEEE spec on the CAN bus): The longest road in the world is the one between theory and application.
I've come across a lot of people who are full of hot air. This industry is full of them. Those that do all have the same characteristics: arrogant, argumentative, never actually SAY anything with substance, can never back up their own theories but are quick to tear down someone else's theories, love to drop random "bombs of knowledge" and then when most question it, counter with something along the lines of "you're just too dumb to understand..."
Sounds a lot like you, dude.
Those who truly ARE knowledgeable, and perhaps discover something contrary to popular belief - present their ideas much more differently. They make coherent arguments. They can back it up with proof. They WANT to be challenged. They don't come up with BS things to make them sound credible. How does you *allegedly* knowing some "GrandAm engineers" (LOL) and *allegedly* having reverse-engineered some old BMW DME... WTF does that have to do with knowing how big of a TB is appropriate? Or how well a 5th injector flows? (Lemme guess... you're drinking buddies from one of the guys at Goldcrest so suddenly now you're an expert by association?)
I have yet to meet someone who knows electronics well enough to reverse engineer a circuit board completely on his own (like you've claimed in the past), also understand fluid dynamics well enough to be able to assert, off-the-cuff, what an appropriate TB size should (or shouldn't) be. Or be able to know, off-the-cuff again, the flow path that a 5th injector would take in the intake pipe AND know off-the-cuff why it would or wouldn't work. And yet still need to go to some tech school for automotive technology. If you're half as brilliant as you claim to be... shouldn't you just be teaching it? Why aren't YOU one of those "GrandAm" engineers?
Some people here think you might actually have some knowledge and just lack the personal skills to share it properly.
Based on your posts here (and others)... I think you're full of ****.
