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Old 03-03-2014 | 05:42 PM
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Are you coming to the gathering next week?
Of course I will be there!! Just got my 48mm intake valves today.
Old 03-03-2014 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Thom
Overlap on the NA cam is 28° if what JME told me was correct, which should be ok with the GT35 0.82 hotside.
I do not think there is an overlap, exhaust closes and intake opens at 1 degree after TDC, see link below:

http://members.rennlist.org/951_racerx/CamProfiles.pdf
Old 03-04-2014 | 03:06 AM
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These are specs measured with 1mm of lift. The data I got are seat-to-seat measurements, valves fully closed.
Old 03-04-2014 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Thom
These are specs measured with 1mm of lift. The data I got are seat-to-seat measurements, valves fully closed.
This is a very important point. Advertised versus full duration. The duration on my GTO (67) is 290 degrees, 230 degrees advertised (I forget if that is at 0.040" lift or another amount).

I usually see more people look for lobe separation angle (LSA) when talking turbocharged cars. They are obviously related. But an LSA of about 114 (crank) degrees is more or less "ideal," whereas a 110 degree LSA has way too much overlap, and it will take hte turbo forever to spool.

On edit, meant to add - from the links, looks like one lobe center is 113 and the other is 115 to/from TDC, total 228, which is 114 degrees crank rotation, so pretty ideal, though admittedly, I've not looked into cam profiles to the degree I have other things.

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Old 03-04-2014 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Thom
These are specs measured with 1mm of lift. The data I got are seat-to-seat measurements, valves fully closed.
Interesting,I do see a reference to 1mm. Never caught that. Thanks.
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It's always interesting to follow your discussions, thank you for sharing your expertise.
Attached is a small write-up regarding 944 camshaft data for available aftermarket camshafts vs. OEM camshafts. Caveat, this was dedicated rather for a NA application than for a turbo. But may it could be helpful though.

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Old 03-05-2014 | 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by H.F.B.
It's always interesting to follow your discussions, thank you for sharing your expertise.
Attached is a small write-up regarding 944 camshaft data for available aftermarket camshafts vs. OEM camshafts. Caveat, this was dedicated rather for a NA application than for a turbo. But may it could be helpful though.
Thanks for that document!
I've got an unknown cam that's been measured, I'll have to dig up the specs and see what it's close to. I'll share my findings.
Old 03-05-2014 | 07:09 AM
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This cam data is a page of the FSM, from which I suppose Danno got the figures he put on his webpage.
Old 03-05-2014 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by 67King
This is a very important point. Advertised versus full duration. The duration on my GTO (67) is 290 degrees, 230 degrees advertised (I forget if that is at 0.040" lift or another amount).

I usually see more people look for lobe separation angle (LSA) when talking turbocharged cars. They are obviously related. But an LSA of about 114 (crank) degrees is more or less "ideal," whereas a 110 degree LSA has way too much overlap, and it will take hte turbo forever to spool.

On edit, meant to add - from the links, looks like one lobe center is 113 and the other is 115 to/from TDC, total 228, which is 114 degrees crank rotation, so pretty ideal, though admittedly, I've not looked into cam profiles to the degree I have other things.
Thanks for the info!

Originally Posted by H.F.B.
It's always interesting to follow your discussions, thank you for sharing your expertise.
Attached is a small write-up regarding 944 camshaft data for available aftermarket camshafts vs. OEM camshafts. Caveat, this was dedicated rather for a NA application than for a turbo. But may it could be helpful though.
Thanks! Great camshaft info!
Old 03-06-2014 | 11:31 PM
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Large OEM center feed plenum (and short runner) on the Audi 20V 7A motor.


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Large OEM center feed plenum (and short runner) on the Audi 20V 7A motor.


It's actually an AAN code (From the UrS4) intake manifold (on a 7A engine)
Old 03-07-2014 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by alxdgr8
It's actually an AAN code (From the UrS4) intake manifold (on a 7A engine)
Thanks, just looked it up. I love what you are doing with your swap. I obviously know very little about these motors. Here is a pic of a UrS4. I think my observation about the intake is still valid


Old 03-07-2014 | 02:59 PM
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This might be interesting to you, here are flow numbers for all of the Audi 20V intakes. It's funny that the RS2 (the one that's "Powered by Porsche") flows the lowest...
Lot's of bickering about flowing intake manifolds: http://www.motorgeek.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=9764

034 HO


3b


AAN


RS2
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7A
Old 03-07-2014 | 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by H.F.B.
It's always interesting to follow your discussions, thank you for sharing your expertise.
Attached is a small write-up regarding 944 camshaft data for available aftermarket camshafts vs. OEM camshafts. Caveat, this was dedicated rather for a NA application than for a turbo. But may it could be helpful though.
Great info! Thanks
Old 03-08-2014 | 01:37 AM
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Interesting stuff. Makes me wonder how hard it would be to cast aluminum.... Looks easy on youtube....


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