Vitesse Stage 3 - 446rwhp
04-17-2003, 01:30 AM
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One very important thing to remember here is that dyno runs at 23psi, 26psi, or any other extremely high "psi" are nothing more than "glory runs" in my book (and the "book" of a lot of tuners I know).
Hondas do glory runs. Porsches don't.
Porsches should be tuned at a level for which that load can be sustained (example: 30 minute race). If not, then it's only a matter of time until the pop, head gasket goes, coolant of pushed out, cylinders are scorred, etc...
Anybody can slap on bigger injectors, put in some C12, and run 25-30psi and claim they make big numbers. Big deal. That's not real power. That's Honda power.
Runs at 23psi-26+psi can't be done on pump gas (at least not for long).
I say we run the cars at 1 bar of boost, then post the results. At least we could have a way of comparing apples-to-apples, various configurations and states of tune. And, for the most part, we all should be able to do that on pump gas.
Hondas do glory runs. Porsches don't.
Porsches should be tuned at a level for which that load can be sustained (example: 30 minute race). If not, then it's only a matter of time until the pop, head gasket goes, coolant of pushed out, cylinders are scorred, etc...
Anybody can slap on bigger injectors, put in some C12, and run 25-30psi and claim they make big numbers. Big deal. That's not real power. That's Honda power.
Runs at 23psi-26+psi can't be done on pump gas (at least not for long).
I say we run the cars at 1 bar of boost, then post the results. At least we could have a way of comparing apples-to-apples, various configurations and states of tune. And, for the most part, we all should be able to do that on pump gas.
04-17-2003, 01:32 AM
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I'd like to add one final thought about my comment...
There are some cars out there that can be run at this high boost level for sustained periods of time.... but not with out race fuel, and the reliability at those boost levels is questionable at best.
There are some cars out there that can be run at this high boost level for sustained periods of time.... but not with out race fuel, and the reliability at those boost levels is questionable at best.
04-17-2003, 01:54 AM
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My thought.
A 2.5/2.8 L engine that can produce over 340HP RW, as a daily drive; once in a while race car is just what I want. I don't want to replace an engine every time I try an push the envelope, I leave that to the Pros.
A 2.5/2.8 L engine that can produce over 340HP RW, as a daily drive; once in a while race car is just what I want. I don't want to replace an engine every time I try an push the envelope, I leave that to the Pros.
04-17-2003, 02:12 AM
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TonyG,
I agree on some of your points. Porsche engine should be able to handle the stress of the track. Just to clarify something, just in case you were not aware of it. The same engine that I dynoed, has over 60track hours (and I don't baby it either). And by now well over 100 dyno pulls. You are correct, Glory runs are not for Porsche.
Also, let me point out something, just in case you didn't read it in an earlier post. Stage 3 is not for street use, I never intended for it to be for the street.
The way I look at it, power without reliability is useless. Reliability comes from a well designed system with extensive testing.
Go easy on the Honda guys, they like their cars just as much as we like ours.
Thank you for bringing up some very interesting points.
I agree on some of your points. Porsche engine should be able to handle the stress of the track. Just to clarify something, just in case you were not aware of it. The same engine that I dynoed, has over 60track hours (and I don't baby it either). And by now well over 100 dyno pulls. You are correct, Glory runs are not for Porsche.
Also, let me point out something, just in case you didn't read it in an earlier post. Stage 3 is not for street use, I never intended for it to be for the street.
The way I look at it, power without reliability is useless. Reliability comes from a well designed system with extensive testing.
Go easy on the Honda guys, they like their cars just as much as we like ours.
Thank you for bringing up some very interesting points.
04-17-2003, 10:25 AM
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shortyboy,
For pricing and additional information, feel free to email me directly.
The cost? How about a week vacation in Honolulu where you get to show me island
For pricing and additional information, feel free to email me directly.
The cost? How about a week vacation in Honolulu where you get to show me island
04-17-2003, 12:50 PM
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I've seen some stock engined (longblock) 951's run high boost at the track for a pretty good period of time on the track with the proper fuel/timing and real good gas. But they always, in the end, blew up. Some in a shorter period of time than others. And this was never a surprise to the owners. It's as if they were waiting for it.
Run that car at 1 bar of boost and post the dyno.
I've seen some stock engined (longblock) 951's run high boost at the track for a pretty good period of time on the track with the proper fuel/timing and real good gas. But they always, in the end, blew up. Some in a shorter period of time than others. And this was never a surprise to the owners. It's as if they were waiting for it.
Run that car at 1 bar of boost and post the dyno.
04-17-2003, 02:55 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by TonyG:
<strong>fast951
I've seen some stock engined (longblock) 951's run high boost at the track for a pretty good period of time on the track with the proper fuel/timing and real good gas. But they always, in the end, blew up. Some in a shorter period of time than others. And this was never a surprise to the owners. It's as if they were waiting for it.
Run that car at 1 bar of boost and post the dyno.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Are you trying to prove something or what?
<strong>fast951
I've seen some stock engined (longblock) 951's run high boost at the track for a pretty good period of time on the track with the proper fuel/timing and real good gas. But they always, in the end, blew up. Some in a shorter period of time than others. And this was never a surprise to the owners. It's as if they were waiting for it.
Run that car at 1 bar of boost and post the dyno.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Are you trying to prove something or what?
04-17-2003, 03:06 PM
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No I'm not trying to prove anything.
I'm simply pointing out that running a car at 23+psi of boost is dangerous.
If you want to run your car at that boost level, then go ahead. Just don't cry when you blow it up :-)
No I'm not trying to prove anything.
I'm simply pointing out that running a car at 23+psi of boost is dangerous.
If you want to run your car at that boost level, then go ahead. Just don't cry when you blow it up :-)
04-17-2003, 03:56 PM
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Silverbullet951,
>Uhh, didn't you read that his stage 3 is NOT for street use?<
Yes I did. So? Does that make running extremely high boost levels any more reliable if it were done on a track?
>Uhh, didn't you read that his stage 3 is NOT for street use?<
Yes I did. So? Does that make running extremely high boost levels any more reliable if it were done on a track?
