951 LS1 Engine Died... May fix or Sell As-IS
#32
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If I went LS3 it would be a cam on the large side for sure. In fact... I'd probably just buy a LS3 short block and buy a set of AFR heads to go with a big cam.
I'm just deciding if I want to even mess with it at all. No matter what engine I put in it... it will never win a GT2 class race.
That's why the decision to just sell it as-is is so hard.
TonyG
I'm just deciding if I want to even mess with it at all. No matter what engine I put in it... it will never win a GT2 class race.
That's why the decision to just sell it as-is is so hard.
TonyG
#33
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Braking. Nothing will ever brake like a 911 running slicks due to the weight distribution. Not to mention that most of the fast cars run the giant ceramic brakes as well as well as advanced anti-lock brake systems.
That's the main thing. And that alone is worth a lot of time on the track.
The other is the ability to get on the gas hard out of a tight turn because of the weight over the rear tires.
And then there's turn-in. With no engine in the front, the cars turn in really fast.
TonyG
That's the main thing. And that alone is worth a lot of time on the track.
The other is the ability to get on the gas hard out of a tight turn because of the weight over the rear tires.
And then there's turn-in. With no engine in the front, the cars turn in really fast.
TonyG
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Braking. Nothing will ever brake like a 911 running slicks due to the weight distribution. Not to mention that most of the fast cars run the giant ceramic brakes as well as well as advanced anti-lock brake systems.
That's the main thing. And that alone is worth a lot of time on the track.
The other is the ability to get on the gas hard out of a tight turn because of the weight over the rear tires.
And then there's turn-in. With no engine in the front, the cars turn in really fast.
TonyG
That's the main thing. And that alone is worth a lot of time on the track.
The other is the ability to get on the gas hard out of a tight turn because of the weight over the rear tires.
And then there's turn-in. With no engine in the front, the cars turn in really fast.
TonyG
At any rate, you're talking about two vastly different expense categories. How fast do you want to spend?
#35
With how much a 996 based racer would really be, I don't see why there could wouldn't be a way to make the LS1Porsche competitive. While the characteristics that you put up regarding the ***-draggers are real positives, some of those are also negatives.
Even though I can say I have Porsche blood in my veins, the rear engine stuff isn't ACTUALLY that good of an idea.
How about bigger brakes, MORE rubber in front, LESS weight in the front, and more power?
The anti-lock thing - I guess I am surprised to hear that stated.
Yep. I am very biased against the ***-draggers. I just realized how much so.
Even though I can say I have Porsche blood in my veins, the rear engine stuff isn't ACTUALLY that good of an idea.
How about bigger brakes, MORE rubber in front, LESS weight in the front, and more power?
The anti-lock thing - I guess I am surprised to hear that stated.
Yep. I am very biased against the ***-draggers. I just realized how much so.
#37
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Braking. Nothing will ever brake like a 911 running slicks due to the weight distribution. Not to mention that most of the fast cars run the giant ceramic brakes as well as well as advanced anti-lock brake systems.
That's the main thing. And that alone is worth a lot of time on the track.
The other is the ability to get on the gas hard out of a tight turn because of the weight over the rear tires.
And then there's turn-in. With no engine in the front, the cars turn in really fast.
TonyG
That's the main thing. And that alone is worth a lot of time on the track.
The other is the ability to get on the gas hard out of a tight turn because of the weight over the rear tires.
And then there's turn-in. With no engine in the front, the cars turn in really fast.
TonyG
I only prefer to track the 951 because I don't want to beat on my 996 - can't afford that - and if I wreck the 951, it's definitely not the end of the world. Can't say that about the 996. I love the turbo rush of the 951, and it's definitely more forgiving if you overdrive the entrance to a tight corner (no swapping ends as in a 996, which I've done a few times at Infineon).
#38
Drifting
Sorry to hear Tony!
You should go for LS3
And if anyone is thinking of buying an amazing machine, this is it! Best $15k you will EVER spend in your life! (yes, better then hookers and blow ... but may not be as cool as doing twins at the same time ...)
You should go for LS3
And if anyone is thinking of buying an amazing machine, this is it! Best $15k you will EVER spend in your life! (yes, better then hookers and blow ... but may not be as cool as doing twins at the same time ...)
#39
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I decided that I want $20k for it w/o the seat, but with all the spares.
It's just got way too much in it in terms of money and development time. And at $20k, you can buy a $1500 LS1, swap in the cam from the old engine, and have the car exactly as it was before the engine died. I can't see labor being more than a $1000 to swap like engine for like engine (I have a 2 piece bell housing and the rear tire well is cut out so it's pretty easy to move things around).
Plus... I'd be giving up the last set of the GKN motorsport axles! (I can't tell you how many people have PM'ed me wanting to buy those....)
So for $22k you can have a car that will be cheap to run, super reliable, is fully dialed in and race ready, can be driven to and from the track, and will beat almost anything at the race track using "inexpensive" NT-01 tires.
That's still a sweet deal.
The spares include:
3 new splitters with the balsa composite inserts ready for paint
1 new power steering rack
1 new tie rod with end and boot
1 GT Racing LeMans rear spoiler (previously mounted for street use)
1 924 stock hatch (for events that don't allow Lexan)
2 spare 50% 315 NT-01 tires
1 custom trans tail section for external oil cooler
and more stuff that I just can't think about right now...
TonyG
#40
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LOL... Why not wait another week and ask 25K without the rear wing ...
#41
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Tony, why did you go away from the RE control arms?
Mike
#42
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Maybe. I had time to think about what a fair deal would be. And that's what I'm willing to sell it for. And honestly... if nobody buys it, I'll slap in another LS1 and sell it all day for $25k with a Recaro seat. The $3,000 OMP seat stays with me.
I know first hand what it costs (and how long it takes...) to build one of these cars "the right way" and what it takes to get it light, and what it takes to get it to handle good. And it ain't cheap and it's not easy or fast.
At $20k it's a deal. A person can have this car done for under $22k all day long with a simple engine R&R, go drive to and from the track, and whip almost everybody, then drive it home.
That's the deal.
And just to clarify... the car will come with a Recaro seat. Just not the OMP seat currently installed.
TonyG
I know first hand what it costs (and how long it takes...) to build one of these cars "the right way" and what it takes to get it light, and what it takes to get it to handle good. And it ain't cheap and it's not easy or fast.
At $20k it's a deal. A person can have this car done for under $22k all day long with a simple engine R&R, go drive to and from the track, and whip almost everybody, then drive it home.
That's the deal.
And just to clarify... the car will come with a Recaro seat. Just not the OMP seat currently installed.
TonyG
#43
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Tony - If you put in an LS3 and ran slicks - how competitive would you be in your class ? My guess is you would be competing for wins. This seems like the most cost effective option. It sounds like cost isn't the primary driver here, and if that is the case then the 996 cup or similar would certainly be different ! Good luck either way - you've had a hell of a run in that car !
Tom
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Tony have you considered doing a real weld-in cage tying to all the suspension points? Stiffening up your car would make a world of difference and should make your car much faster. The Spec 996 cars with good cages are exceptionally stiff which affords amazing handling