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Old 08-26-2010, 11:00 AM
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Hmm, may call Renegade for the oil pan.

Olli, why isn't a swap like this legal for you? As long as you keep all the proper emissions stuff, why would it be a problem?
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You do realize you are killing me here Josh?!!!!

I bought my car with a bad motor specifically to do this swap with. Then I started to tinker with the motor and had it running easily. Decided to drive it with the 4 popper until it broke again. Now everything works and works well...DOH!


I have been searching for a car with an ls to test drive and fortunately/unfortunately there are none local to mess with........until now! I'm kinda afraid to get near your car. It may cause the motor to come flying out of mine!!!

Grrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!'. ;-)
Old 08-26-2010, 11:27 AM
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ha, HA! (Nelson voice)

I'm sure it'll corrupt you in all the ways you fear.
Old 08-26-2010, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by docwyte
ha, HA! (Nelson voice)

I'm sure it'll corrupt you in all the ways you fear.

I swear! I am not seduced by horsepower

I just have two turbo Porsches and an R1 because they were practical
Old 08-26-2010, 11:35 AM
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Hmmm, oh really? The first time you ride in my car and the tires break loose in 3rd gear I'm sure you'll resist the temptation.
Old 08-26-2010, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by docwyte
I should make plenty of power NA, somewhere around 385-400rwhp. I can't imagine adding FI to this thing, I think I'll have enough trouble keeping the tires planted!

Greg, hopefully get it back in a few weeks!
just curious, are you hoping to make 400RWHP corrected for altitutde or 400RWColoradoHp?
Old 08-26-2010, 12:06 PM
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It'll be corrected for altitude, so in reality much less up here...
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Looks good! Keep the pictures of the swap coming!
Old 08-26-2010, 12:32 PM
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Champ did make an oil pan for this conversion. Might want to see if they still do. I almost bought one and it was the price of an off the shelf Moroso pan.
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Olli, why isn't a swap like this legal for you? As long as you keep all the proper emissions stuff, why would it be a problem?
Too much cubic inches

We can add legally 20%. So if you take for example S2, maximum you can have is a 3.6L engine.
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What's the reasoning behind that law? Seems kind of obscure. As long as it can pass inspection, why would it matter if it's got 3.6l or 5.7l?
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I suppose it's mainly a safty issue. We have to remember cars here are smaller what you have and most of them are usually equipped with small engines. I suppose most common engine size is 1.6L. Then lots of cars with even smaller engines. if we take 2.0L or bigger engines, they are minority. So when most cars are rather small with small engines, it would be quite dangerous to install over 5.0L engines to these cars.

We are perhaps with Danes and Creeks the worst example in EU, because car taxation in these countries are worlds highest. That explains smaller cars with smaller engines.

Also when you have to pay about 6€/gallon you think more how big engine you would like to have. That's the main reason why my wife car's is equipped with diesel engine, which average consume is about 4.8L/100km when with 5.7L engine it's easily about 15-20L/100km. Diesel fuel is also a little bit cheaper. Diesels are getting more and more popular because there is usually around 100nm more torque compared to same size gas engine. For daily driver i prefer diesel, much more nicer engine to drive than gas ones.

What comes to Porsche prices.Here's an example for you.
Starting price of the cheapest Porsche Boxter in USA is $ 46,600.00
In Finland it is $ 93,934.00
So you can considered lucky ones; car cost you half what we pay and also you gas price is about 1/4 what we pay... I wonder how News Week Magazine ranked last week Finland as "Best country in the World"
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Vehicle emissions are measured in PPM (parts per million). So a larger engine pollutes more, even though its PPM remains below a certain threshold. I personally think it's a pretty reasonable law, even though i might think differently if i were the one affected

Edit: Olli beat me to the punch. I will say that Europes small diesels are wonderful to daily drive. While in Norway i rented a Toyota with a 1.7(?)L diesel. I got nearly 60mpg (equivalent) and it made torque all day long. Unfortunately, they don't meet the US standards for emissions (soot).
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Unfortunately, they don't meet the US standards for emissions (soot).
That's quite funny, because in europe diesels get lighetr taxation because they pollute less than gas engines according to tighter EU regulations.
Old 08-26-2010, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Olli Snellman
That's quite funny, because in europe diesels get lighetr taxation because they pollute less than gas engines according to tighter EU regulations.
They have fewer emissions, but they produce soot. I agree that it is a "lesser evil", though.
A friend of mine has a new diesel BMW. The car has to have a system that sprays urea (google it!) into the exhaust to clean off the soot. It is really strange the way the US deals with emissions!

On the other hand, i have read that soot (from a diesel or a volcano) is really bad for the environment in a number of ways.


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