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Old 05-11-2010, 06:38 PM
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Quick question (while we're on the topic).

When you make a K26 into a K27, I assume they open up the cold side for a bigger wheel. Is it possible to source my own wheel? I have equipment that can grind to tolerances within millionths of an inch. Just makes me think I could do some research and build it myself.....
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Originally Posted by Dea_944t
What I meant is that it's not easy to find any K27/6 for sale here in Sweden and since I have a K26/8 the "upgrade" to a K27/6 is not cheap.
How much power is the K26/8 original turbo good for?

A Vitesse kit would be great, the reasons for not going with that as my first choice is the $ to SEK ratio and the Swedish 25% VAT which makes these kits a bit expensive




I'm not in a rush, these plans are for late autumn modifiactions.

/Dea
What does a K27/6 cost in Sweden?

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Old 05-11-2010, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Dea_944t

One of the problems is to actually get info from someone using the K27/6 or 8
or the SFR hybrids so I haven't got any charts to show.

/Dea
This is my car with a K27/6 on it. Keep in mind I believe that the values are optimistic. The dyno corrected for altitude which is probably way too much correction. I suspect that sea level horsepower is 15-20% less than that. Uncorrected was 255hp.



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Old 05-11-2010, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Dea_944t
What I meant is that it's not easy to find any K27/6 for sale here in Sweden and since I have a K26/8 the "upgrade" to a K27/6 is not cheap.

/Dea
Or just find someone who can bring one into the EU for you...

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Originally Posted by TonyG
Not discounting the turbo you're selling (nor am I familiar with them...), but in my opinion, for a street driven daily driver car, anything using the KKK ~8 hot side is too laggy (just like the K26/8 is)

The additional power ain't worth the lag. If people are willing to deal with the lag of a ~8 turbine, they might as well go to something bigger and get it over with...

The beauty of the K27/6 is the balance of price & quick boost. It just happens to support the 325RWHP range.

Why don't you do a custom compressor capable of supporting 330RWHP on a KKK~6 turbine? That would be the setup.

TonyG
Personally, I'm not a huge fan of the K27/6 or the K27/8. They are robust turbos, inexpensive, but not my favorite. I agree with you the K27/8 is on the laggy side. The K27/6 spools up fast but is restrictive up top. There are other options (yes more expensive), they spool up just as fast (if not faster than the k27/6) yet provide much more performance. It boils down to budget, requirements and personal preference.
Another issue with the K26 based turbos is availability. New K26 turbos are expensive, and at times very difficult to find.

The Stealth turbos were designed for the track guys that want a "bit" more power, yet want to keep the stock look. The goal was 300rwhp and similar torque.. Track guys love them! They just want the extra punch to even out the playing field

I think the market needs a entry level turbo, a good performer for street duty and a moderate price tag. Bundled with the engine management to provide a great bang for the buck for the budget minded customer. That's what I'm working on.
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Originally Posted by Dea_944t
The problem with the K27/6 (or 8) is that they are hard to find and sending in av K26/8 to get it to a K27/8 is not that much cheaper than getting the SFR turbo.

One of the problems is to actually get info from someone using the K27/6 or 8
or the SFR hybrids so I haven't got any charts to show.

/Dea
Upgrading the K26 to a K27 can get expensive (rebuild, upgrade, shipping) it adds up. Your best bet is to find a "good" used one from a lister. I think DanaT has one, this might be your least expensive turbo upgrade.
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Originally Posted by fast951
Upgrading the K26 to a K27 can get expensive (rebuild, upgrade, shipping) it adds up. Your best bet is to find a "good" used one from a lister. I think DanaT has one, this might be your least expensive turbo upgrade.
Well, my new turbo does work much better than the K27/6... I am still troubleshooting why the tires became less sticky with the new turbo though...

I need to get it to the dyno...

Maybe the end of next week.

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Originally Posted by DanaT
Well, my new turbo does work much better than the K27/6... I am still troubleshooting why the tires became less sticky with the new turbo though...

I need to get it to the dyno...

Maybe the end of next week.

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What kind of turbo is your new turbo? How much for your 27/6?
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Originally Posted by fast951
Personally, I'm not a huge fan of the K27/6 or the K27/8. They are robust turbos, inexpensive, but not my favorite. I agree with you the K27/8 is on the laggy side. The K27/6 spools up fast but is restrictive up top. There are other options (yes more expensive), they spool up just as fast (if not faster than the k27/6) yet provide much more performance. It boils down to budget, requirements and personal preference.
Another issue with the K26 based turbos is availability. New K26 turbos are expensive, and at times very difficult to find.

The Stealth turbos were designed for the track guys that want a "bit" more power, yet want to keep the stock look. The goal was 300rwhp and similar torque.. Track guys love them! They just want the extra punch to even out the playing field

I think the market needs a entry level turbo, a good performer for street duty and a moderate price tag. Bundled with the engine management to provide a great bang for the buck for the budget minded customer. That's what I'm working on.
Sounds good!
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Originally Posted by ehall
What kind of turbo is your new turbo? How much for your 27/6?
I have a Vitesse S2R. It works nice.

I havent yet thought about a price for the old stuff. I put everything in a plastic bin for a little bit until I get it sorted out. Big concern right now is vacation.

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Awesome! How much more power do you feel from the new turbo? Ya know butt dyno as well as real dyno.

John, what's the performance difference between the 2 and the 2r?
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Here's an old one of my K27/6 with a Bursch 2.5" test pipe, Huntley MAF, ARC2 fuel controller, chips, 52lbs Rochester injectors, and adjustable fuel pressure regulator.

PS> Ahhh the old days of tuning....

The ignition system was weak... which is why the dyno looked the way it did on that day,.

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How much boost were you running?
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Originally Posted by ehall
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Adonay, at what rpm are you hitting 15 psi?
Dont know as i run a little bit more than 15psi but my maxboost is at 3350rpm fourth gear. The turbo seems to have an insane spoolup had problems with the wastegate in the begining was hitting 1,8 bar before i even knew it !!! Before anyone comment it yes i know i was running way rich and yes my instrument cluster weren't working



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Originally Posted by Adonay
Dont know as i run a little bit more than 15psi but my maxboost is at 3350rpm fourth gear.
That's nice.


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