PorschePhD

Anything can be made fast. I have has 2.8s NA 911s that would whomp my friends 951S hands down. At every level. So to bench race this or that is crazy. It can be built. I have watched 500HP 951s at the track. I also have seen a 3.3 GT3 car we tuned making less HP keep ahead of him on the back straight at HPT. I also have seen a 997 out run a 996TT because the car was scrubbing the tires in every turn. So it depends on what the situation is. Do I think a highly modified 951 can hang with a 996TT? Yes. Then add a small program and it is probably all over. Special Tool’s car aside

Again, I am confused about the 10 second argument, which is a little silly to begin with. If my 60s are less that 2.0 then my car runs 10s all day long. I have done it so I am not sure why you are saying it is not done. There are many bonehead drivers out there that can't get it. It has to do with the driver. Not the car. If you don't know what to do with a car spinning all four wheels at 80MPH you probably can't launch it either.

Would I run 800 HP at Daytona...nope, but neither does anyone else really. Even the 962s etc cranked up the boost on the straights. Could it live there, not sure. I also don't have bolts on and have gone into my motor. In fact I do not go beyond 600HP without going in to the motor. Period. Compare that to the 930s we build with like power and live on the track and are fine. One would assume that a watercooled turbo would live just fine. I also know that Rick and Cole are only a few of the many that campaign a 996TT or 996TT motor stock with 600HP bolts-ons and are in there second seasons as race cars only and they have been fine. Both running our programs and both not a single issue.
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Got Boost?

Beyond a certain point, all talk of dyno numbers or who's car is faster is simply an extension of "my dick is bigger than yours" syndrome - it proves nothing other than who has spent more money. . . A pretty foolish thing to get into a ****-measuring contest over, IMHO. If you're happy with your car and what it does for you, that's fine but I've never honestly been impressed with a person who happens to have "the biggest" numbers simply because they had a $50,000 inheritance to blow or whatever. Honestly, I'm more impressed with the guy that's innovative and does more with less than the guy that happens to be able to afford mods that cost 10x or 20x what his old clunker car is worth - which of course lose 75% of their market value the instant they're bolted onto said car.

Modding is fun, but it is one of the absolute worst places a person can put their money. If you want to race, figure out a way to do it sponsored or otherwise on someone else's dime - otherwise you might as well be taking your money and lighting it on fire. Or consider a meth habit. It'd probably be cheaper.

My "old" 911 may not be the fastest thing out there, but it's fun, a source of personal joy and an appreciating asset (about +10% to +15% market value each of the last three years, roughly). It also doesn't cost me thousands of obligatory modifications each year just so I can delude myself into thinking I'm impressing other insecure guys on an anonymous forum. Ultimately such things count for nothing in life. My 951 has a couple of small mods, but only about $1,000 worth. That's enough for me. It's a lot of fun too, but I guess my limit of what I consider "sane" in terms of upgrade cost differs from some of those here.

Some of the guys here really need to consider Cialis or something, I swear. . .

streckfu's

The 911tt driver was NOT pushing his car. With your mods, there is no way you can hang with a hard driven 911tt. Try running your car with it's curent upggrades on the track where traffic and road conditions are not a mitigating factor.

PorschePhD

You should not assume anything. Those of us that have these cars and have built them on buying Porsches through the years as a passion and worked up from a 914 take that as offensive. Hell, some of us have lost more valuable things to the passion than money, try fingers! You can not assume anything and certainly not what one has spent or the reasons they modify cars. That is awful pretentious of you to assume anything. And yes I own several big HP cars and my size is fine. What do I have to prove, ask my wife who I have been with for 23 years. You have no idea how hard or what a person does to afford these cars. Some of us work like the dickens and with a little luck can get into them. So again, please assume nothing. I pay my dues daily and you have no idea what I mean when I say that.

I enjoy my 76 as much as I enjoy anything. The sound alone is breathtaking. Something my TT can not offer. Every car offers something special. For me it is the TQ. I don’t care about the HP, I care about driving it every day and that occasional blast on the on ramp, or the track or knowing that of called up to a shootout we can take that very car and throw it on the truck and go!

I think most of use are giving examples of why some of these bench racing statements are to general and do nothing to support numbers, times etc. I have said it before, there is always someone faster. Period. You you get a smile on your face when you hit the key and you do the turn and look when you park then you have the best car for you. No matter if it is a 951 a TT or a Neon.

blitz951

The quartermile is a silly argument to a large extent with a Porsche. However, it is a nice run to make to get an idea of how the car is performing. It is a test perfomed in most shootouts, magazines... I was refering to the shootout that was done in Las vegas. Correct me if I am wrong but most of these modified cars were in the 11's and 12's. This shootout involved most of the tuners and some of the cars were very modified so I am sure they came to make the best performance possible. I think they were running race gas and boost also. Let me know, I could be wrong and dont have the time to find the article but I am sure you would know since you seem to be very into the 996 series.
Got boost,
Cialis wont work. I gave some to a patient of mine who owns a Corvette hoping the stories would become more realistic and it did not help in fact I think it made matters worse.

toddk911

I know a buddy of mine to this day says a ride he was given in a modified 930 in the late 80's/early 90's has yet to have anything compare. And he had a bad *** GSXR and said the bike did not compare to that 930. He was estimating the 930 was in the 600hp range.

PorschePhD

That was 2 years ago. You could say I am in the 996s, but turbos in general. Mostly 930s and 996TTs. I was in the shootout. I was the cover car on the mag. The big yeller bee on the front with the checkers.

The 60s were 2.2!!! It ran 11.0 at 137 if I recall. Race gas, well if you consider 98 octane race gas I guess. We were all on track tires and having two track guys drag them. Burning the tires up with the 60 like that will not yield anything in the 10s. You have to be able to drive. Drag racing is as much as an art as the track and most can not achieve both. Since then many of us have proven with a 1.6 10.2s are consistent. But again, it proves nothing other than it can be done.

If anyone needs a blue pill I suggest exercise!! LOL. Maybe the Vette guy needed more gold!

blitz951

PorschePHD,
I dont think gold is going to help either. He takes this Porsche vs Corvette thing to far. I have been thinking hard about getting a 930 turbo and building the hell out of it as his final treatment. The Z06 thing is out of control on the forums but now I have to hear it in the office.

PorschePhD

Sorry about that. Karl was logged in here at work. Damn it KARL!

LOL, well look me up if you make the switch. Nothing is more humbling when a 30 year old Porsche blast past you on the striaghts and leaves nothing but tail lights in the turns

PorscheDoc

Haha, sure wasn't me. I was sitting on the lake at the time. I would post pictures if I would have remembered the USB cable

And what the heck are you doing at work today, lol. You should be out modifying your bike or something I highly recommend the "vacation thing."

FSAEracer03

Jesus Christ, dude... do you ever stop stroking your own dick?

FSAEracer03

I think that rings true of many Porsche owners... even us lowly 951 owners. Many people make assumptions as to how we attained and retain our cars, but neither see the sacrifice made to get them, or the consequences of owning them. I run into people nearly every week who make smart comments about me owning a Porsche at age 22. The first thing I sayin retort to that line of commenting is "Yes, I do own a Porsche... it's turbocharged, in fact. And you know what? No one has ever payed a dime for anything involving it, purchase, maintenance, or modification... except me."

Amen, brother!

PorschePhD

Finishing Jaccobs XDi, its gotta go by Fri. So no modding for me! Besides, every time I try the vacation thing I end up in airports. So work away. Just mean less for you when you drag your burned **** back down here!

FSAEracer03, good for you! I owned my first Porsche when I was 21. I got out of College and the next month bought a 67911 S that was so rusted I drove it 4 hours and never again. From there the learning curve went on. I dearly hold on to what I have now. I never know what will happen. After trading and moving cars I have owned probably near hundred cars, 38 or so of them Porsches. It is a love.

UK952

Maybe the 996 had a boost leak, a dodgy MAF or a bad batch of fuel just because they can go quick doesn't mean they always are in the best health.
Tony

Got Boost?

I don't care how someone gets the money - whether they earn it, knock off liquor stores, do gay ****, whatever. . . The point is all this "oooh, look at my mods" crap is simply saying "look at how much money I spent" in a different form. Very few exceptions I see here. There are precious few threads about "look at what I built" or "look at this whatchamacallit I fabricated" or whatever. It's all about who goes out and buys the most expensive/overpriced mods. For every thread that seems to share any real useful knowledge, there are 20 about self-glorifying dick-stroking saying "look what I (or mommy & daddy, presumably) bought". I'm supposed to be impressed by this somehow?

To put it another way - what's the difference exactly between this mentality and the "bling-bling", "pimp-my-ride" types that blow their coin on 22" dub rims and neon and kicker boxes and crap like that - who I'm sure 99% of the people on this forum look down their noses at? Really - what's the difference? It's just showing off how much money you spend on frivolous things - just the manifestations are different. More is not necessarily better in this regard.

Like I said - show me a guy that has a stock car or a beautifully-restored and lovingly cared-for one that the owner obsesses over and continually improves upon SELECTIVELY or one that he's out enjoying on a beautiful summer day and I've got 1000x the respect for him than the guy stroking his nads about how much hp/tq he's supposedly making after buying $10,000 worth of parts or what "kills" he got out street racing (which is idiotic anyway and gives the rest of us a bad name).

Want to do real race tuning? Fine - go get on with a pit crew somewhere and put that hobby to some real use. Let's see how good you really are. Saying you can tune a 20-year-old (or older) car is like saying "look at how much money I spent on my 8086 computer from 1987!" (Actually, tuning carburated engines takes a special knack that's missing from a lot of today's "tuners", but I digress. . .)

Now to be fair, I think the original Dr. Porsche would have WANTED people to modify and race his cars, but I'm saying it takes no special talent or ability whatsoever to simply plop down a wad of cash and bolt on a bunch of overpriced aftermarket mods - or worse still, to simply pay someone off to do it for you. It does take a certain amount of talent to innovate and develop new modifications or adjust/tweak factory settings or figure out how things work as part of a SYSTEM. If you can't do that, then what's the point? One example I see here a lot - is "deleting" an a/c system that you're either too cheap or too lazy to fix in the interest of saving 50 pounds REALLY an "upgrade"?

All I'm saying is I'd love to see more threads about suspension settings, tire pressures, fuel loads, camber angles, air/fuel maps, head work and so on than the typical "look at what I blew my bank account on this week" crap that's so pervasive here.

And FWIW, I work my *** off for my money too. Big deal.