Hemmings predicts a value increase for our cars
02-03-2017, 01:25 AM
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Eventually there will come a point where mileage is not so important.
Just like the air-cooled 911 market it is all about the individual car. It's condition, mileage (still for the post long nose cars), color combo, mechanical history and backup documentation all play a clear role in what one is worth over another. Sights like Hagerty which have never been close to correct on the values of these cars hurt their value. They clump everything into one category and most cars sell for far more than they claim.
Simply put these cars were over engineered, expensive to build and probably one of the finest GT cars for decades. Unlike a comparable F car of the period they will run forever if well maintained and don't change how they feel and get soft over their life.
Buy a Maserati QP they are a dime a dozen and will be worth nothing in the near future. The 928 has a bad rap and rightfully so. To many where sold to owners who couldn't afford their upkeep. Shade tree mechanics did more damage than good and many are in need of a lot of TLC despite mileage. Find a nice example, everything working and in great cosmetic shape and you will be able to fetch double or more average market prices. I expect that you will see a rise in value as less and less good examples are available not unlike the 914 and 968. Collectors are still overpaying for 5 speed GTS's with low mileage but in 5 or 10 years who will be laughing?
Just like the air-cooled 911 market it is all about the individual car. It's condition, mileage (still for the post long nose cars), color combo, mechanical history and backup documentation all play a clear role in what one is worth over another. Sights like Hagerty which have never been close to correct on the values of these cars hurt their value. They clump everything into one category and most cars sell for far more than they claim.
Simply put these cars were over engineered, expensive to build and probably one of the finest GT cars for decades. Unlike a comparable F car of the period they will run forever if well maintained and don't change how they feel and get soft over their life.
Buy a Maserati QP they are a dime a dozen and will be worth nothing in the near future. The 928 has a bad rap and rightfully so. To many where sold to owners who couldn't afford their upkeep. Shade tree mechanics did more damage than good and many are in need of a lot of TLC despite mileage. Find a nice example, everything working and in great cosmetic shape and you will be able to fetch double or more average market prices. I expect that you will see a rise in value as less and less good examples are available not unlike the 914 and 968. Collectors are still overpaying for 5 speed GTS's with low mileage but in 5 or 10 years who will be laughing?
02-03-2017, 10:09 AM
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Eventually there will come a point where mileage is not so important.
Just like the air-cooled 911 market it is all about the individual car. It's condition, mileage (still for the post long nose cars), color combo, mechanical history and backup documentation all play a clear role in what one is worth over another. Sights like Hagerty which have never been close to correct on the values of these cars hurt their value. They clump everything into one category and most cars sell for far more than they claim.
Simply put these cars were over engineered, expensive to build and probably one of the finest GT cars for decades. Unlike a comparable F car of the period they will run forever if well maintained and don't change how they feel and get soft over their life.
Buy a Maserati QP they are a dime a dozen and will be worth nothing in the near future. The 928 has a bad rap and rightfully so. To many where sold to owners who couldn't afford their upkeep. Shade tree mechanics did more damage than good and many are in need of a lot of TLC despite mileage. Find a nice example, everything working and in great cosmetic shape and you will be able to fetch double or more average market prices. I expect that you will see a rise in value as less and less good examples are available not unlike the 914 and 968. Collectors are still overpaying for 5 speed GTS's with low mileage but in 5 or 10 years who will be laughing?
Just like the air-cooled 911 market it is all about the individual car. It's condition, mileage (still for the post long nose cars), color combo, mechanical history and backup documentation all play a clear role in what one is worth over another. Sights like Hagerty which have never been close to correct on the values of these cars hurt their value. They clump everything into one category and most cars sell for far more than they claim.
Simply put these cars were over engineered, expensive to build and probably one of the finest GT cars for decades. Unlike a comparable F car of the period they will run forever if well maintained and don't change how they feel and get soft over their life.
Buy a Maserati QP they are a dime a dozen and will be worth nothing in the near future. The 928 has a bad rap and rightfully so. To many where sold to owners who couldn't afford their upkeep. Shade tree mechanics did more damage than good and many are in need of a lot of TLC despite mileage. Find a nice example, everything working and in great cosmetic shape and you will be able to fetch double or more average market prices. I expect that you will see a rise in value as less and less good examples are available not unlike the 914 and 968. Collectors are still overpaying for 5 speed GTS's with low mileage but in 5 or 10 years who will be laughing?
I recently did a fly by of the air-cooler market...
When I saw, this is literal by the way, a rusted out pile of 912 body parts stacked up into a shape of a rolling car... for 14 grand, firm. I knew it was time to go...
it's hard for me to think the 928 market will get to that level of what I would call insanity, but who knows.
That being said, I'm holding on to mine for a while.
02-03-2017, 12:00 PM
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02-03-2017, 03:27 PM
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To put some numbers on things, the 2005-06 models of Quattroporte sold about 5000 cars per year worldwide. The Panamera is rolling out over 7000 cars to the US alone, each year.
*Revision* something is wrong with those Maserati production figures I found; a different source said that Maserati recently reached a sales record, selling 3,000 cars (all models worldwide) in 2012.
*Revision* something is wrong with those Maserati production figures I found; a different source said that Maserati recently reached a sales record, selling 3,000 cars (all models worldwide) in 2012.
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02-03-2017, 08:14 PM
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Currently there are at least 15 Maseratis on my local Craigslist...and that's NOT counting all the old turds from the 80s/90s like the bi-turbos and rebadged LeBarons. Come spring time, there will probably be 25+ to choose from on any given day.
Thought seriously about buying one as a daily driver, and honestly, I still do. My biggest problem is that most I look at have around 20K miles and the ads always state NEW CLUTCH. At first I thought people must be beating the **** out of them, but after doing some research, it appears you really do need a new clutch every 3rd oil change. Price is about $5K. If you need a bunch of other wear and tear items, it can easily jump to $10K. Driving it easily in automatic mode doesn't help with longevity either.
You also don't get to DIY as a dealership's computer is needed to adjust the kiss point. So far I have not heard of anything aftermarket like the Durametric for our Porsches.
There is the coolest Spyder Cambiocorsa just a few miles from me that has been popping up on CL for about two years now. 28K miles and just stunning. He seems to try selling every 6 months or so and the price drops each time. Down to $22K and it's getting real tempting.
Thought seriously about buying one as a daily driver, and honestly, I still do. My biggest problem is that most I look at have around 20K miles and the ads always state NEW CLUTCH. At first I thought people must be beating the **** out of them, but after doing some research, it appears you really do need a new clutch every 3rd oil change. Price is about $5K. If you need a bunch of other wear and tear items, it can easily jump to $10K. Driving it easily in automatic mode doesn't help with longevity either.
You also don't get to DIY as a dealership's computer is needed to adjust the kiss point. So far I have not heard of anything aftermarket like the Durametric for our Porsches.
There is the coolest Spyder Cambiocorsa just a few miles from me that has been popping up on CL for about two years now. 28K miles and just stunning. He seems to try selling every 6 months or so and the price drops each time. Down to $22K and it's getting real tempting.
02-03-2017, 11:08 PM
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You're not wrong about the clutch. Unfortunately here in Cali most people sell them just as the clutch is all worn out, which is what happened to me. I never saw any Maserati for sale that actually said "new clutch" or would vouch for the clutch in any way, and believe me I looked around some.
Apparently you can get at least 30K miles out of the clutch, even driving in traffic, if you use Sport mode instead of Auto. My Quattroporte made it 46K miles on the original clutch in Auto mode, but the PO reported mostly highway driving.
A good indy shop can do those clutches for around $3500 complete, but they have to have the full Ferrari/Maserati diagnostic system to set the "kiss point" as you put it. Dealers want to rape you for this job so be very afraid.
From my perspective, $22K for a really nice Spyder with new clutch is a steal. But I'm in Cali where all that crap costs more. You will love the Maserati Stability Program (yaw control, traction control etc.).
You're not wrong about the clutch. Unfortunately here in Cali most people sell them just as the clutch is all worn out, which is what happened to me. I never saw any Maserati for sale that actually said "new clutch" or would vouch for the clutch in any way, and believe me I looked around some.
Apparently you can get at least 30K miles out of the clutch, even driving in traffic, if you use Sport mode instead of Auto. My Quattroporte made it 46K miles on the original clutch in Auto mode, but the PO reported mostly highway driving.
A good indy shop can do those clutches for around $3500 complete, but they have to have the full Ferrari/Maserati diagnostic system to set the "kiss point" as you put it. Dealers want to rape you for this job so be very afraid.
From my perspective, $22K for a really nice Spyder with new clutch is a steal. But I'm in Cali where all that crap costs more. You will love the Maserati Stability Program (yaw control, traction control etc.).
02-03-2017, 11:19 PM
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That is a possibility, and some folks do that. If you can do the mechanical work yourself it is a good option. The parts themselves are like around $2,000 I think. I'm supposed to be picking mine up tomorrow from the shop in San Jose, I will get an itemized bill. But each car also has its own clutch kit, they vary a little by model year etc.
02-04-2017, 12:03 AM
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It's all about the money, if you think about it, they could have easily included a calibration process within the car's ECU.
02-04-2017, 01:13 PM
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That is a possibility, and some folks do that. If you can do the mechanical work yourself it is a good option. The parts themselves are like around $2,000 I think. I'm supposed to be picking mine up tomorrow from the shop in San Jose, I will get an itemized bill. But each car also has its own clutch kit, they vary a little by model year etc.
02-05-2017, 05:40 PM
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OK I got my bill; the clutch parts total almost $1500 for a 2005 Quattroporte. Other models/years may be more or less. The shop owner corroborated other stories, telling me that I could easily get 60+K miles out of it if I follow certain rules. E.g. drive it in manual sport mode, stop in neutral instead of downshifting.
02-06-2017, 04:10 AM
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I know these are not regular models and so are the prices.
