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Old 02-07-2017, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by upstate bob
rather have a 51 dodge. cheap and durable.
And a total POS even in showroom condition.
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Originally Posted by safulop
Well we can argue this up and down for a while but, I would say that while the demand for low-mile 928s has gone up, and dare I say "skyrocketed" since 2010, from my position the demand for high-milers has gone down.
This 1990 S4 with 150K miles just sold for $26K. Not sure what this proves other than on this day a well-maintained high mileage 928 brought very strong money.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-porsche-928s4-2/
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Originally Posted by safulop
Interesting ideas, but I don't see that a Maserati QP is a "dime a dozen." There aren't any around here, we don't even have shops that can work on one, or any dealers. I'm not wanting to buy a daily driver that goes up in value but, I also think that the QP with the Ferrari-Maserati V8 is really a beautiful car with a beautiful engine. I don't see why you would have such little respect for a car like that. Porsche 911s are surely much more "dime a dozen", which is one reason I didn't buy one.
When you're outside a city like Manhattan you have a lot of people with money and I hate to say it but the second hand Maserati (all versions) has become the poor man's Ferrari. We have dealers of every Marque sometimes several so there are many places to get anything you have repaired, at a cost. They are quite popular and i see them daily, Quattroporte is a little less common. But when the weather is nice it is not uncommon to see many Lamborghini's, Ferrari's, Porsche's etc etc in one day.

There are a couple of QP's around here and there are some neighborhoods that you will see multiple along with a wealth of other cars. I saw two of the new levante the other day before the big snow. Ghibli's are also very popular the GT's are most common.
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Originally Posted by cobalt
When you're outside a city like Manhattan you have a lot of people with money and I hate to say it but the second hand Maserati (all versions) has become the poor man's Ferrari. We have dealers of every Marque sometimes several so there are many places to get anything you have repaired, at a cost. They are quite popular and i see them daily, Quattroporte is a little less common. But when the weather is nice it is not uncommon to see many Lamborghini's, Ferrari's, Porsche's etc etc in one day.

There are a couple of QP's around here and there are some neighborhoods that you will see multiple along with a wealth of other cars. I saw two of the new levante the other day before the big snow. Ghibli's are also very popular the GT's are most common.
Of course a Maserati is like a poor man's Ferrari in some sense, that's OK by me. I'm a poor man. But that's less true for the Quattroporte since Ferrari doesn't make a huge sedan that seats 5.

A wealthy friend of mine was inspired by my purchase and is going to add a Maserati to his car collection -- and he already has a Ferrari.

It's actually hard to believe a beautiful car with Poltrona Frau leather interior, Ferrari drive train, and Pininfarina body can be had for around $20K with low miles in excellent condition.
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Originally Posted by GT6ixer
This 1990 S4 with 150K miles just sold for $26K. Not sure what this proves other than on this day a well-maintained high mileage 928 brought very strong money.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-porsche-928s4-2/
Wow, that is a high price. I'm listing mine for $16K obo and going nowhere, let's point out some key differences. 1990 is worth more because of the digital dash upgrade. This slate car's interior has mine beat 9 ways from Sunday. Plus these wheels are new, mine need a bit of refinishing and TLC. Otherwise they are pretty similar. Lots of maintenance records, well-kept, decent (not perfect) repaint... maybe if I spent $$ redoing my seats and dashboard I could get over $20K for my car too ??
Seems weird, normally you can never recover the cost of vehicle restoration.


For $26K I would want a better respray than what is described on that car, to be honest.
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Originally Posted by GT6ixer
This 1990 S4 with 150K miles just sold for $26K. Not sure what this proves other than on this day a well-maintained high mileage 928 brought very strong money.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-porsche-928s4-2/
That is just what the car should have sold for, good for the seller and the buyer.
Just great cars. I got a 2017 rental car last week. It was not as quiet as my 1980 Porsche. How does that work. 928s are still ahead of some cars today.

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Originally Posted by safulop
Of course a Maserati is like a poor man's Ferrari in some sense, that's OK by me. I'm a poor man. But that's less true for the Quattroporte since Ferrari doesn't make a huge sedan that seats 5.

A wealthy friend of mine was inspired by my purchase and is going to add a Maserati to his car collection -- and he already has a Ferrari.

It's actually hard to believe a beautiful car with Poltrona Frau leather interior, Ferrari drive train, and Pininfarina body can be had for around $20K with low miles in excellent condition.
I agree but it doesn't make them any less prevalent. Many of these very high priced cars drop in value like lead balloons. Look at your Bentleys, Astons and many others that sell for multiple 6 figures new and can now be had 7-8 years later for less than the options were initially.

My friend had a beautiful Vanquish Zagato that I could have even traded my GTS for. Difference is he had 13k vs my 65k miles.

Now is the time to grab these up if you can afford them. No doubt they will become more appreciated over time. Hell of a nice looking car and a nice ride but very poor ergonomics.
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Originally Posted by cobalt
I agree but it doesn't make them any less prevalent. Many of these very high priced cars drop in value like lead balloons. Look at your Bentleys, Astons and many others that sell for multiple 6 figures new and can now be had 7-8 years later for less than the options were initially.

My friend had a beautiful Vanquish Zagato that I could have even traded my GTS for. Difference is he had 13k vs my 65k miles.

Now is the time to grab these up if you can afford them. No doubt they will become more appreciated over time. Hell of a nice looking car and a nice ride but very poor ergonomics.
Yeah no doubt the high-priced luxury cars lose a whole lot of value, which I benefited from. But prevalence varies widely by region. Due to the lack of dealers or helpful service shops, in Fresno county there are actually more 928s than Quattroportes. Not many of either but, I'm pretty sure the 928s win by a few cars.

If your friend is anything like me, he would never trade a modern car for an old 928, regardless of value.

Oh and, poor ergonomics in a Quattroporte? Not sure what you are driving at there. Granted the paddle shifters don't turn with the steering wheel. Mind you, my little Veloster does have paddle shifters attached to the wheel itself, and it doesn't really help when you're in the middle of a hand-over-hand turn. On balance I think I prefer the fixed-position paddle shifters, because then no matter how many times I've turned the wheel I know that up is on the right and down is on the left. In the Veloster I'm left to guess in the middle of turns. But maybe you were talking about poor ergonomics in the Aston-Martin.

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