928s for Sale
#5536
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That euro may not be worth $20k, but it looks like it may be a good get at $15k or so if the miles check out. I like it.
I see the seller added the pic he took for you to the listing.
I see the seller added the pic he took for you to the listing.
#5537
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With that wing and the stance it presents, it looks like it belongs at the drag strip. And I mean that in the nicest way. Looks like Cup 2 wheels.
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#5538
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Be cautious if considering ...
https://ventura.craigslist.org/cto/d...665884140.html
I looked at this car today and found it to be grossly misrepresented by a seller who should know better (and likely did). Represented as a low mileage, original car in excellent condition, it was not. Some parts of the car were repainted and very poorly done, with significant checking on the hatch, and a large spot on the front fender touched up very roughly with a brush. Other panels appeared poorly repainted too. The engine and engine bay had been terribly neglected and clearly saw wet and corrosive conditions over the years. The interior seating was fair, with condition typical of a car with 2-3x miles. I took the car for a drive and within 2 miles, the car overheated ... pegged gauge and flashing central warning light. Prior to that, the engine ran poorly and hesitated on acceleration. The odometer did not work, and the tires were very old. The car did shift well. That was it for me. The seller seemed motivated and accepted an offer of $13k (this was before I saw or drove the car). It might be worth $6-7k, but be prepared for expensive surprises when addressing the deferred maintenance and cooling problem. The single stage brown paint is salvageable and could be turned into driver quality with some new paint on some of the panels. My take is that the seller got taken by the previous seller in NJ, and is hoping to pass it on to someone else.
Be careful or avoid altogether,
Dennis
I looked at this car today and found it to be grossly misrepresented by a seller who should know better (and likely did). Represented as a low mileage, original car in excellent condition, it was not. Some parts of the car were repainted and very poorly done, with significant checking on the hatch, and a large spot on the front fender touched up very roughly with a brush. Other panels appeared poorly repainted too. The engine and engine bay had been terribly neglected and clearly saw wet and corrosive conditions over the years. The interior seating was fair, with condition typical of a car with 2-3x miles. I took the car for a drive and within 2 miles, the car overheated ... pegged gauge and flashing central warning light. Prior to that, the engine ran poorly and hesitated on acceleration. The odometer did not work, and the tires were very old. The car did shift well. That was it for me. The seller seemed motivated and accepted an offer of $13k (this was before I saw or drove the car). It might be worth $6-7k, but be prepared for expensive surprises when addressing the deferred maintenance and cooling problem. The single stage brown paint is salvageable and could be turned into driver quality with some new paint on some of the panels. My take is that the seller got taken by the previous seller in NJ, and is hoping to pass it on to someone else.
Be careful or avoid altogether,
Dennis
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Not surprising since the last owner in NJ was the same guy that changed the odometer for the '78 manual on Ebay and now Hemmings. Pretty sure about who he is on FB (very quietly disappeared on Facebook since we made a stink here on Rennlist, so I am sure he's watching these).
Too bad about the odometer. Car was sold by Manusco (sp?) in Chicago to the local lawyer in Delaware, supposedly they are legit.
Too bad about the odometer. Car was sold by Manusco (sp?) in Chicago to the local lawyer in Delaware, supposedly they are legit.
https://ventura.craigslist.org/cto/d...665884140.html
I looked at this car today and found it to be grossly misrepresented by a seller who should know better (and likely did). Represented as a low mileage, original car in excellent condition, it was not. Some parts of the car were repainted and very poorly done, with significant checking on the hatch, and a large spot on the front fender touched up very roughly with a brush. Other panels appeared poorly repainted too. The engine and engine bay had been terribly neglected and clearly saw wet and corrosive conditions over the years. The interior seating was fair, with condition typical of a car with 2-3x miles. I took the car for a drive and within 2 miles, the car overheated ... pegged gauge and flashing central warning light. Prior to that, the engine ran poorly and hesitated on acceleration. The odometer did not work, and the tires were very old. The car did shift well. That was it for me. The seller seemed motivated and accepted an offer of $13k (this was before I saw or drove the car). It might be worth $6-7k, but be prepared for expensive surprises when addressing the deferred maintenance and cooling problem. The single stage brown paint is salvageable and could be turned into driver quality with some new paint on some of the panels. My take is that the seller got taken by the previous seller in NJ, and is hoping to pass it on to someone else.
Be careful or avoid altogether,
Dennis
I looked at this car today and found it to be grossly misrepresented by a seller who should know better (and likely did). Represented as a low mileage, original car in excellent condition, it was not. Some parts of the car were repainted and very poorly done, with significant checking on the hatch, and a large spot on the front fender touched up very roughly with a brush. Other panels appeared poorly repainted too. The engine and engine bay had been terribly neglected and clearly saw wet and corrosive conditions over the years. The interior seating was fair, with condition typical of a car with 2-3x miles. I took the car for a drive and within 2 miles, the car overheated ... pegged gauge and flashing central warning light. Prior to that, the engine ran poorly and hesitated on acceleration. The odometer did not work, and the tires were very old. The car did shift well. That was it for me. The seller seemed motivated and accepted an offer of $13k (this was before I saw or drove the car). It might be worth $6-7k, but be prepared for expensive surprises when addressing the deferred maintenance and cooling problem. The single stage brown paint is salvageable and could be turned into driver quality with some new paint on some of the panels. My take is that the seller got taken by the previous seller in NJ, and is hoping to pass it on to someone else.
Be careful or avoid altogether,
Dennis
#5540
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Dennis and Hoi - the listing is down. For future reference, what car is it? Post a pic here so that others will know to avoid it. The seller is clearly monitoring this thread.
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Dennis, sure the odometer doesn't work? Maybe just the triptometer? Looks like there is slow increase in odometer through the years.
Listing is still up: https://ventura.craigslist.org/cto/d...665884140.html
Here was the car while it was being discussed on Rennlist: https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...l#post14804095
Here is the thread while it was on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1981-Porsche-928-5-Speed-Manual-27K-mi-Fully-Documented-/332551753974?item=332551753974&vxp=mtr&ViewItem=&nma=true&si=i9USIU%252B RfHICgcfwBN6JJmCZlms%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p20476 75.l2557
Here were the pics from Mancuso.
http://davidsclassiccars.com/porsche...rsche-928.html
Current seller left out the 2nd 9 and substitute 0s with Os on VIN.
tailgater2007 was the ebay seller for this and the '78 silver with the rolled back odometer.
Here is a quoted review from ebay before he disappeared:
"DO NOT buy from this seller.Totally misrepresented and lied on a Porsche 928S4 IBuyer:
s***9 ( 141) During past 6 months:
John Nitz (longrunner) has a run-in with him earlier this year and it wasn't good per John.
Listing is still up: https://ventura.craigslist.org/cto/d...665884140.html
Here was the car while it was being discussed on Rennlist: https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...l#post14804095
Here is the thread while it was on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1981-Porsche-928-5-Speed-Manual-27K-mi-Fully-Documented-/332551753974?item=332551753974&vxp=mtr&ViewItem=&nma=true&si=i9USIU%252B RfHICgcfwBN6JJmCZlms%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p20476 75.l2557
Here were the pics from Mancuso.
http://davidsclassiccars.com/porsche...rsche-928.html
Current seller left out the 2nd 9 and substitute 0s with Os on VIN.
tailgater2007 was the ebay seller for this and the '78 silver with the rolled back odometer.
Here is a quoted review from ebay before he disappeared:
"DO NOT buy from this seller.Totally misrepresented and lied on a Porsche 928S4 IBuyer:
s***9 ( 141) During past 6 months:
John Nitz (longrunner) has a run-in with him earlier this year and it wasn't good per John.
#5542
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Dennis, sure the odometer doesn't work? Maybe just the triptometer? Looks like there is slow increase in odometer through the years.
Listing is still up: https://ventura.craigslist.org/cto/d...665884140.html
Here was the car while it was being discussed on Rennlist: https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...l#post14804095
Here is the thread while it was on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1981-Porsche-928-5-Speed-Manual-27K-mi-Fully-Documented-/332551753974?item=332551753974&vxp=mtr&ViewItem=&nma=true&si=i9USIU%252B RfHICgcfwBN6JJmCZlms%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p20476 75.l2557
Here were the pics from Mancuso.
http://davidsclassiccars.com/porsche...rsche-928.html
Current seller left out the 2nd 9 and substitute 0s with Os on VIN.
tailgater2007 was the ebay seller for this and the '78 silver with the rolled back odometer.
Here is a quoted review from ebay before he disappeared:
"DO NOT buy from this seller.Totally misrepresented and lied on a Porsche 928S4 IBuyer:
s***9 ( 141) During past 6 months:
John Nitz (longrunner) has a run-in with him earlier this year and it wasn't good per John.
Listing is still up: https://ventura.craigslist.org/cto/d...665884140.html
Here was the car while it was being discussed on Rennlist: https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...l#post14804095
Here is the thread while it was on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1981-Porsche-928-5-Speed-Manual-27K-mi-Fully-Documented-/332551753974?item=332551753974&vxp=mtr&ViewItem=&nma=true&si=i9USIU%252B RfHICgcfwBN6JJmCZlms%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p20476 75.l2557
Here were the pics from Mancuso.
http://davidsclassiccars.com/porsche...rsche-928.html
Current seller left out the 2nd 9 and substitute 0s with Os on VIN.
tailgater2007 was the ebay seller for this and the '78 silver with the rolled back odometer.
Here is a quoted review from ebay before he disappeared:
"DO NOT buy from this seller.Totally misrepresented and lied on a Porsche 928S4 IBuyer:
s***9 ( 141) During past 6 months:
John Nitz (longrunner) has a run-in with him earlier this year and it wasn't good per John.
Hi - the ad appears to have been taken down this morning, but pictures from prior ads (from previous sales) are readily available, as Hoi kindly referenced.
Here is the VIN for future reference: WP0JA0929BS820347
I do have the seller's name and address (Ventura), but will refrain from posting publicly. Although he initially comes across as a pleasant, honest enthusiast, he seems quite willing to pass along the same obviously inaccurate information that the previous seller used to mislead him.
As as for the odometer, the trip odometer does not work at all and the main odometer doesn't appear to work properly either. The internal gear is definitely broken, at least partially. Regardless, the overall condition of the vehicle is consistent with a 70-120k mile car that has seen some years of neglect then some restoration (re-covered dash, console, and possibly the arm rests. The engine bay looked like that of a car that saw many wet seasons. The car did shift quite nicely, typical of either a well preserved or rebuilt gearbox. That was the highlight of the car. The engine immediately overheated after 2-3 miles of driving in typical 80F socal weather, despite a properly filled coolant system and functioning engine fan. It had a 928MS radiator. The seller tried to tell me that he had driven the car the day before and it ran perfectly. I don't believe him.
#5544
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In my (biased) opinion, the Euro "S" cars are very desirable. Pre-84 Euro S cars had 300 HP CIS 4.7L 16 valve motors, while 84-86 Euros had 310 HP LH 4.7L 16 valve motors with twin ignition systems. And yes, all 4.7L Euros should be treated as interference, even if not officially stated as such. In 85, the 5-speed syncros changed to a more robust (arguably) Borg Warner design that some find to be smoother shifting. Search here for lots of discussions on the mid year Euros. Also, go to 928 Specialists website, 928 Tips/Links, then Tech/Specs for details on year/model differences.
The 85 Euro in the ad looks very nice. Beware that when federalized, the speedometer was replaced to an MPH version, so total mileage is unknown, unless a solid history of the car is provided. Many of these in this time frame were imported as new due to the performance advantages and dollar value, but some were imported later in life, so a new speedometer would zero out any accumulated miles. Again, history/documentation would be important to me. Something odd in the instrument cluster - the warning lights on the left are in English, and on the right gauge are in German. I suspect that the left gauge was replaced at some time. Mine are all in German.
I think this car is worth a serious look. If I didn't already have one, I'd be checking it out.
The 85 Euro in the ad looks very nice. Beware that when federalized, the speedometer was replaced to an MPH version, so total mileage is unknown, unless a solid history of the car is provided. Many of these in this time frame were imported as new due to the performance advantages and dollar value, but some were imported later in life, so a new speedometer would zero out any accumulated miles. Again, history/documentation would be important to me. Something odd in the instrument cluster - the warning lights on the left are in English, and on the right gauge are in German. I suspect that the left gauge was replaced at some time. Mine are all in German.
I think this car is worth a serious look. If I didn't already have one, I'd be checking it out.
A couple points to note. My cam appears to have broken because the timing gear appears to have become loose as some point in the past (probably over 10 years ago) and mangled the key-way and cracked the timing gear. I suspect this caused a stress fracture at the cam nose that eventually led to a break at the transition from the cam nose to the larger main diameter of the camshaft. Regardless of when the timing belt may have last been done, I highly recommend a full inspection of the timing gears and the belt, rotating bits and tension. I would first look for excessive wear on the timing gears (worn hard coating), which can be done without removing the belt. Inspecting the key-way can only be done by removing the timing gear and not really practical pre-purchase (you could remove the cam bolt and do a partial inspection). If things generally look good pre-purchase, I would definitely do a full timing belt service post purchase, and replace the rollers, bushings and water pump and remove and inspect both timing gears regardless of the timing of the last TB/WP service. Too many mechanics cut corners and don't replace the tension arm bushing, use a cheap water pump and don't properly rebuild the tensioner. Don't let any of this scare you away though. Do this, and you can expect many miles of trouble free smiles and sensational driving with these fabulous specimens.
#5545
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The came through my news feed - a Bloomberg story on Monterey Auto Week 2018.
It's a pretty good article IMO. Takeaways for Rennlisters: Porsche (I think they mean 911) and Ferrari prices have corrected and a smaller percentage of them are successfully auctioned. The $140K 928 GTS was "wildly high" priced.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...car-collectors
It's a pretty good article IMO. Takeaways for Rennlisters: Porsche (I think they mean 911) and Ferrari prices have corrected and a smaller percentage of them are successfully auctioned. The $140K 928 GTS was "wildly high" priced.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...car-collectors
#5546
Race Car
The came through my news feed - a Bloomberg story on Monterey Auto Week 2018.
It's a pretty good article IMO. Takeaways for Rennlisters: Porsche (I think they mean 911) and Ferrari prices have corrected and a smaller percentage of them are successfully auctioned. The $140K 928 GTS was "wildly high" priced.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...car-collectors
It's a pretty good article IMO. Takeaways for Rennlisters: Porsche (I think they mean 911) and Ferrari prices have corrected and a smaller percentage of them are successfully auctioned. The $140K 928 GTS was "wildly high" priced.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...car-collectors
#5547
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I know this thread has moved into the auction-ready realm, but CL is more my speed than Mecum (or even BaT). Do we need to start a CL discoveries thread?
Because I see things like this from time-to-time: https://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/...670724435.html
Because I see things like this from time-to-time: https://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/...670724435.html
#5548
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^^^^Who does that? Amazing, someone goes to the trouble of collecting these various cars, and doesn't even have the common sense to cover the roof openings. It's like they bought the cars as a science environment experiment to see how long it takes for a vehicle to rot away in the elements. They are all trash.
#5549
Race Car
I know this thread has moved into the auction-ready realm, but CL is more my speed than Mecum (or even BaT). Do we need to start a CL discoveries thread?
Because I see things like this from time-to-time: https://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/...670724435.html
Because I see things like this from time-to-time: https://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/...670724435.html
#5550
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Leon has been trying to thin these cars out for some time He even had a pretty decent 79 928 and 83 944 stored inside. His prices are high and he cannot provide any additional images. I have a funny feeling his cars will be around for some time yet.