1978 5sp #107 just arrived - aka the restoration of Minerva
#271
some more dismantling this weekend, and more discoveries.
For some reason, Rob does not seem as enthusiastic about the like new condition of the roof insulation! Incredible condition of 37 year old rubber, impressive.
Door glass is out, impact bumpers removed (next to the just completed wheeled caddy that will take the body to the painter) along with the high intensity washer tank and expansion tank.
More fun weekend progress!
For some reason, Rob does not seem as enthusiastic about the like new condition of the roof insulation! Incredible condition of 37 year old rubber, impressive.
Door glass is out, impact bumpers removed (next to the just completed wheeled caddy that will take the body to the painter) along with the high intensity washer tank and expansion tank.
More fun weekend progress!
#272
Re the headliner/roof insulation. It's not rubber, but a fibrous (sp?) material. Tends to dry rot from a sun-hot roof (I suspect).
If preserving, best bet is to leave it in situ and cover to protect.
Recently replaced one with 1/2" thk closed-cell foam (neoprene).
Didn't look to see if OE is NLA.
Edit: appears to be available, p/n 92855623302
http://www.autoatlanta.com/tinyresul...pn=92855623302
If preserving, best bet is to leave it in situ and cover to protect.
Recently replaced one with 1/2" thk closed-cell foam (neoprene).
Didn't look to see if OE is NLA.
Edit: appears to be available, p/n 92855623302
http://www.autoatlanta.com/tinyresul...pn=92855623302
#273
Jim, I wrote lazily and the rubber comment, after the one about roof insulation, was regarding the picture of the door/window seals.
Your tip is the same thinking we have: keep the roof insulation intact and just cover it during paint (along with so much else!)
Your tip is the same thinking we have: keep the roof insulation intact and just cover it during paint (along with so much else!)
#274
Another good day of progress- That picture was the one 1/60th of a second I wasn't smiling today... I continue to be amazed how well preserved this car is for 166K miles. That insulation pad in the roof is just about perfect, no signs of dry rot. It's interesting, the main headliner is essentially perfect, if a little dusty- The hatch headliner is somewhat more 'baggy', and the rear sun shades are quite saggy, like the foam cores are disintegrating. They're still intact enough to keep, but certain bits definitely don't age as well.
Knock on wood, Minerva's about ready to journey off to paint. With that in mind, we were wondering how best to make the chassis mobile without its suspension. I found an old thread by Tass RE: measurements for a 928 storage dolly:
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...age-dolly.html
So I asked our resident SoCal welding expert Jake Myers (Ducman) to put one together- he knocked it out with aplomb, since he has an '81 in his garage to use as a template....
We (and when I say 'we', I mean 'Jake'...) left the tops of the towers bare, with a hole tapped for M12 bolts, or leveling feet which will fit in the 52 mm lift circles. The hole also allows for fittings to adapt to the later cars so the dolly will be useful for other 928s.
I drove up to Jake's this morning and lashed this to the roof of the minivan, and got it back to Irvine. Looking forward to getting the car off to paint so I can get cooking on reconditioning everything.
Knock on wood, Minerva's about ready to journey off to paint. With that in mind, we were wondering how best to make the chassis mobile without its suspension. I found an old thread by Tass RE: measurements for a 928 storage dolly:
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...age-dolly.html
So I asked our resident SoCal welding expert Jake Myers (Ducman) to put one together- he knocked it out with aplomb, since he has an '81 in his garage to use as a template....
We (and when I say 'we', I mean 'Jake'...) left the tops of the towers bare, with a hole tapped for M12 bolts, or leveling feet which will fit in the 52 mm lift circles. The hole also allows for fittings to adapt to the later cars so the dolly will be useful for other 928s.
I drove up to Jake's this morning and lashed this to the roof of the minivan, and got it back to Irvine. Looking forward to getting the car off to paint so I can get cooking on reconditioning everything.
#275
Minerva is once again mobile, William and I got her transferred onto the transport dolly this afternoon.
Pulled the carpets, they came out surprisingly easily (though the glue was more tenacious than in Mark's '91).
With one exception- the top of the transmission tunnel insulation peeled off on the underside of the carpet, and I created a ~100 piece puzzle, peeling off pieces of insulation and piecing them back together. Then hit it with 3M spray glue to hold everything in place
Glued:
The shell is stripped about as far as it'll go, the painters will deal with the door trims.
Separated the headlight frames from their mounting shafts by driving out the roll pins- that is not a pleasant job.....
Pulled the carpets, they came out surprisingly easily (though the glue was more tenacious than in Mark's '91).
With one exception- the top of the transmission tunnel insulation peeled off on the underside of the carpet, and I created a ~100 piece puzzle, peeling off pieces of insulation and piecing them back together. Then hit it with 3M spray glue to hold everything in place
Glued:
The shell is stripped about as far as it'll go, the painters will deal with the door trims.
Separated the headlight frames from their mounting shafts by driving out the roll pins- that is not a pleasant job.....
#276
some more dismantling this weekend, and more discoveries.
For some reason, Rob does not seem as enthusiastic about the like new condition of the roof insulation! Incredible condition of 37 year old rubber, impressive.
Door glass is out, impact bumpers removed (next to the just completed wheeled caddy that will take the body to the painter) along with the high intensity washer tank and expansion tank.
More fun weekend progress!
For some reason, Rob does not seem as enthusiastic about the like new condition of the roof insulation! Incredible condition of 37 year old rubber, impressive.
Door glass is out, impact bumpers removed (next to the just completed wheeled caddy that will take the body to the painter) along with the high intensity washer tank and expansion tank.
More fun weekend progress!
#278
Looking good. Nice documentary on tie positions. But, I still have no idea how you two will ever get this car back together...lol.
Question, what are you guys doing to the fasteners, bolts, brackets, clips and such...having them re-zinked or doing the application/coating yourself? I've got the fasteners off the inner fenders and a couple brackets, and was wondering what type of approach I should use. Been doing some reading on the subject of coating them myself, however, I believe there was someone on here, from NY state, that was doing the application for folks here. Just sending the bits off and having them come back all nice and shiny sounds much easier...than doing it myself.
Anyhow, what are you guys thinking?
Brian.
Question, what are you guys doing to the fasteners, bolts, brackets, clips and such...having them re-zinked or doing the application/coating yourself? I've got the fasteners off the inner fenders and a couple brackets, and was wondering what type of approach I should use. Been doing some reading on the subject of coating them myself, however, I believe there was someone on here, from NY state, that was doing the application for folks here. Just sending the bits off and having them come back all nice and shiny sounds much easier...than doing it myself.
Anyhow, what are you guys thinking?
Brian.
#279
I can't seem to find a decent picture of brown bread insulation (B-quiet), but they appear to have at least one product that doesn't look like the inside of a meth lab.
I ordered a sample, for grins. Will report back. I will say that my experience with dynamat in Hebert's '91 made the interior install a major PITA, would do it differently next time....
http://www.b-quiet.com/collections/all
EDIT- Maybe B-Quiet V-comp?
http://www.b-quiet.com/collections/f.../b-quiet-vcomp
I ordered a sample, for grins. Will report back. I will say that my experience with dynamat in Hebert's '91 made the interior install a major PITA, would do it differently next time....
http://www.b-quiet.com/collections/all
EDIT- Maybe B-Quiet V-comp?
http://www.b-quiet.com/collections/f.../b-quiet-vcomp
I put in both the 94 and 79.
Will try to get some pics posted.
((Hopefully NOT upside down)
Made a huge difference in both cars.
#280
Brian-
All the nuts and bolts that came off the car went in baggies so I can measure and make a list of what goes where. Most of the big bolts are the same across all 928s but there's a lot of new stuff (to me, anyway) that I'll need to catalog:
Then it all goes in a single bucket and gets sent off for plating. The hard part is sorting it all back into baggies, so compulsive recording at this point pays off later. (I'm up to about 1600 pics in the Minerva folder at this point- digital film is cheap.)
In the past I have had everything done in yellow zinc but the last batch I had done was at Burbank plating, who can still do yellow cad. There's another place still grandfathered in for doing yellow cad in Kalifornia so I think this batch will go there just to compare.
All the nuts and bolts that came off the car went in baggies so I can measure and make a list of what goes where. Most of the big bolts are the same across all 928s but there's a lot of new stuff (to me, anyway) that I'll need to catalog:
Then it all goes in a single bucket and gets sent off for plating. The hard part is sorting it all back into baggies, so compulsive recording at this point pays off later. (I'm up to about 1600 pics in the Minerva folder at this point- digital film is cheap.)
In the past I have had everything done in yellow zinc but the last batch I had done was at Burbank plating, who can still do yellow cad. There's another place still grandfathered in for doing yellow cad in Kalifornia so I think this batch will go there just to compare.
#284
The truth is, reality is starting to set in as there is just no where left to go on the dismantle. The obvious conclusion is that the rubber will soon meet the road and we will have to reassemble this wonderful car in full exposure to posterity. We are hanging it all out there, it has become very clear today that we are now flying trapeze with no net.
With that said, I can only speak for me when I say that we remain in awe but also undaunted. The good news is we haven't broken anything, and if we play our cards right and keep our wits and patience, this thing may yet go together correctly.
Today, the last touches come off the car and the last stages of cleaning the peskiest areas to access. I was most worried about the rear quarter glass removal, but either through Divine intervention or dumb luck they came out in one piece.
For those that are wondering why the car needs to be painted, the door color variation in the second pic says it all. it simply does not match and what doesn't show is that it is also a very poorly executed respray.
#285
William, l assume you are in good hands with Rob at the helm. Just amazing to me at what depths you guys have gone. And that right there tells me someone is very confident about their abilities.
I imagine you will have a bit of time to organize, clean and make whatever repairs will be done to the mechanical items (engine and trans) while the body is away. Or at least take a deep breathe, before reassembly begins.
The quarter glass came right out of my disassembly car (#618), and the windshield was inches away from success...when it cracked. It was more or less just an experiment or better yet...practice makes perfect attempt of removing the windshield, since it was in terrible shape.
Actually have all the faith in the world that you two will have this project knocked out soon. And have enjoyed following along...since old red will see the same treatment.
Brian.
I imagine you will have a bit of time to organize, clean and make whatever repairs will be done to the mechanical items (engine and trans) while the body is away. Or at least take a deep breathe, before reassembly begins.
The quarter glass came right out of my disassembly car (#618), and the windshield was inches away from success...when it cracked. It was more or less just an experiment or better yet...practice makes perfect attempt of removing the windshield, since it was in terrible shape.
Actually have all the faith in the world that you two will have this project knocked out soon. And have enjoyed following along...since old red will see the same treatment.
Brian.