928 Performance evaluation on unlimited speed road?
10-28-2016, 11:57 PM
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Richard,
what does it cost to rent a "panzer" or similar car for a week or two in Germany? I've got a couple years to plan for my 50th b-day, a high-speed tour of Germany/Europe is near the top of the list.
Rich
what does it cost to rent a "panzer" or similar car for a week or two in Germany? I've got a couple years to plan for my 50th b-day, a high-speed tour of Germany/Europe is near the top of the list.
Rich
10-29-2016, 12:11 AM
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https://drivingexperience.porsche.co...services/tours
https://drivingexperience.porsche.com/en/travel-club
and:
http://autobahnadventures.com/driving-tours/
https://www.fastlanetravel.com
10-29-2016, 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Richard S
Richard,
what does it cost to rent a "panzer" or similar car for a week or two in Germany? I've got a couple years to plan for my 50th b-day, a high-speed tour of Germany/Europe is near the top of the list.
Rich
what does it cost to rent a "panzer" or similar car for a week or two in Germany? I've got a couple years to plan for my 50th b-day, a high-speed tour of Germany/Europe is near the top of the list.
Rich
The panzer was a minimal cost upgrade for me as a frequent customer. I usually reserve a Bmw 525d or Audi A6 3.0tdi, in class LDAR from Sixt car rental at the airport. When you reserve it from the USA on the English website, it will be with unlimited kms.
www.sixt.com
This LDAR class (A6/525) of car for me for 17 days was 900 euro or about US$1,000 including tax and airport surcharge or about $59/day.
The update to the panzer made the bill go to 1.150 euro or about $1,265 or $74/day.
I didn't accept the cdw or other insurance as my credit card covers this. If your card doesn't cover it, that would be an extra cost to you.
So, from the west coast USA approximately for 17 days:
Airline 1,500
Car 1,000
Hotels 1,700 (not 5 star, 3/4 including breakfast)
Petrol 600 (depending on how much you drive)
Other meals and a lot of great beer 1,000
Approximately $5,800 for one person, for two, I just add another airline ticket and some extra spending money as the hotel, car and petrol will be the same.. If you round it up to $8k for 2 persons you will be fine.
On a side note, the panzer is quite large, but I took it because I know where I'm going and have access to parking when I'm not at hotels. An A6 or Bmw 5 series is smaller but just as fast. I took the panzer because I was driving more than 2,000 + miles this trip and I wanted to be extremely comfortable. Can't beat an S Class for this!
A good route would be fly into Berlin, then drive to Munich, then Stuttgart, then Cologne, then Hamburg and fly back from Hamburg or Berlin. That's a 1 lap of Germany, with a couple days in each city to explore.
Obviously the Porsche and Mercedes museums are near Stuttgart so you might want to allocate more time there.
Just a thought.....
Hopefully this helps!
10-29-2016, 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by XS29L9B
In the PCAMag, I thought I saw Euro Tours in a Porsche for around $8k for a 3-7+ days, or so... No experiences here, but here's a few links:
https://drivingexperience.porsche.co...services/tours
https://drivingexperience.porsche.com/en/travel-club
and:
http://autobahnadventures.com/driving-tours/
https://www.fastlanetravel.com
https://drivingexperience.porsche.co...services/tours
https://drivingexperience.porsche.com/en/travel-club
and:
http://autobahnadventures.com/driving-tours/
https://www.fastlanetravel.com
However, with a little research, if budget is a concern, you can do about 17 days instead of 7 days for $8k and see much more of the country and experience the variety of different areas.
If the idea is to rent a 911, you can do that via Sixt as well... It's not cheap and gasoline is $6/gallon, so be prepared for a huge fuel bill especially if you drive fast......
Best regards
10-29-2016, 11:22 AM
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The only person who went nowhere was you Imre.. I'm in Europe enjoying a trip that could be done in a 928. That the 928 trip wasn't done, doesn't mean I went nowhere.... The only thing on my part that went nowhere is my 928 is in the garage unfinished, which is not a reason for me to avoid enjoying such a trip and get some business done in Europe. Note to you, I do a trip like this almost every year, and many times several times per year. For me it's as easy as getting in a plane, nothing to it, and no big deal. I only offered to share the experience with members of the forum.... I've done this numerous times with other friends and business associates.. 
What possible involvement can you have in a trip of which you have no intention of participating, other than that of a petulant troll?
No chest thumping here Imre, again, just facts about a trip around Europe... I even took the time to share pictures of some parts of it with the forum.
It's clear that you don't understand that.
And by the way, all my cars run... That the 928 is not finished with the supercharger as I would like it to be does not mean it doesn't run....
Best regards
What possible involvement can you have in a trip of which you have no intention of participating, other than that of a petulant troll?
No chest thumping here Imre, again, just facts about a trip around Europe... I even took the time to share pictures of some parts of it with the forum.
It's clear that you don't understand that.
And by the way, all my cars run...
That the 928 is not finished with the supercharger as I would like it to be does not mean it doesn't run.... Best regards
10-29-2016, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Imo000
Failed to deliver to a promise that you'll put together this event regardless who was going. The reason I'm interested is to see if it actually materialized or was it all just vaporware. I had a feeling a year ago but now it's clear that this was never going to bappen regardless who wanted to go.
I'm a great big failure because I've failed to finish modifying my 928 to my exacting specifications! A condition of arranging this excursion.
So I guess that makes me a failure at life and breaker of promises to the world!!
I'm ok with that as you are surely only interested in being a petulant troll on my posts!
And as much, I'll continue to enjoy my trips and cars in the real world, while continuing to be a part of the car world, as you will surely enjoy being the troll that you are while dreaming in fantasy land and typing on your computer..!
Yessir Imre, I'm such a failure at life and a generally bad person who disappointed the world, that during Monterey Car Week I was by some miracle invited here to meet the guy who builds some of the best hypercars ever made:
This is obviously reserved especially for blowhard failures like me!!
In addition, the lunch organized for the 928 fans during the same Monterey Car Week at Baja Cantina was another stellar example of an immensely broken promise during the biggest car event on the planet!! It must have been, because all those smiles and camaraderie must have been the biggest fake ever!!! And to top it off, the walk to the Quail (deliberately planned as a surprise after lunch) to watch the Quail setup, and the oooh 's and aaaaah's around the new Chiron unveiling were just imaginary friends in my head!!! Yessir, no happy 928 people enjoying the new Bugatti at all in this picture....!!
Thanks, but no thanks... I'll keep the factual rich tapestry of experiences shared with those that are worthy, while you continue with the petulant troll rituals!!
Keep on dreaming and I'll keep on living!!!
Best regards
10-29-2016, 01:52 PM
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Richard, this is really interesting information about shipping. Thanks for that!
On the other hand, I am not sure how ideal our cars are though on the Autobahn. It seems like there are an awful lot of people I know in Germany with rebuilt motors. I think its something about too much oil in the heads at high RPM...
In fact, I always viewed the 928 more adapted to the US market than the European.
On the other hand, I am not sure how ideal our cars are though on the Autobahn. It seems like there are an awful lot of people I know in Germany with rebuilt motors. I think its something about too much oil in the heads at high RPM...
In fact, I always viewed the 928 more adapted to the US market than the European.
One factor to be considered is traffic. Especially during holiday season the Autobahn can be maddeningly slow. But it is something hard to explain how it feels to haul at terminal velocity along the Autobahn.
P.S. Yes, I run out of oil first on my GTS '92 on a empty Autobahn (A7 Hamburg to Sylt, early Sunday morning before the current construction)
P.S. Yes, I run out of oil first on my GTS '92 on a empty Autobahn (A7 Hamburg to Sylt, early Sunday morning before the current construction)
I found these posts to be the most interesting in the thread.
Add me to the list please - I will probably just buy another 928 in Europe and join in and ship it back or store for future visits.
We drive faster in TX than I was ever able to do on the Autobahn. Traffic was always an issue. I agree if we pick the right time it is probably doable.
With speed limits increased to 85 mph in TX and no traffic on superb unused roads near the Mexico border 160+ for long extended periods is always available. No traffic, no cops and only border patrol officers who wave at you as you pass by.
We cover 1500 miles in a three day weekend at way over triple digits with curves that make your heart miss a beat many times. Mountain runs that push you too the limit even though the car is capable of more.
Sorry - I love Germany and the Autobahn but much more fun is available here in TX.
Come to Third Coast in November and experience some of the delights!!!!
We drive faster in TX than I was ever able to do on the Autobahn. Traffic was always an issue. I agree if we pick the right time it is probably doable.
With speed limits increased to 85 mph in TX and no traffic on superb unused roads near the Mexico border 160+ for long extended periods is always available. No traffic, no cops and only border patrol officers who wave at you as you pass by.
We cover 1500 miles in a three day weekend at way over triple digits with curves that make your heart miss a beat many times. Mountain runs that push you too the limit even though the car is capable of more.
Sorry - I love Germany and the Autobahn but much more fun is available here in TX.
Come to Third Coast in November and experience some of the delights!!!!
Even the one ton pickups run 90+ here, especially when the oilfield was booming
10-29-2016, 02:20 PM
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Hi Rich,
The panzer was a minimal cost upgrade for me as a frequent customer. I usually reserve a Bmw 525d or Audi A6 3.0tdi, in class LDAR from Sixt car rental at the airport. When you reserve it from the USA on the English website, it will be with unlimited kms.
www.sixt.com
This LDAR class (A6/525) of car for me for 17 days was 900 euro or about US$1,000 including tax and airport surcharge or about $59/day.
The update to the panzer made the bill go to 1.150 euro or about $1,265 or $74/day.
I didn't accept the cdw or other insurance as my credit card covers this. If your card doesn't cover it, that would be an extra cost to you.
So, from the west coast USA approximately for 17 days:
Airline 1,500
Car 1,000
Hotels 1,700 (not 5 star, 3/4 including breakfast)
Petrol 600 (depending on how much you drive)
Other meals and a lot of great beer 1,000
Approximately $5,800 for one person, for two, I just add another airline ticket and some extra spending money as the hotel, car and petrol will be the same.. If you round it up to $8k for 2 persons you will be fine.
On a side note, the panzer is quite large, but I took it because I know where I'm going and have access to parking when I'm not at hotels. An A6 or Bmw 5 series is smaller but just as fast. I took the panzer because I was driving more than 2,000 + miles this trip and I wanted to be extremely comfortable. Can't beat an S Class for this!
A good route would be fly into Berlin, then drive to Munich, then Stuttgart, then Cologne, then Hamburg and fly back from Hamburg or Berlin. That's a 1 lap of Germany, with a couple days in each city to explore.
Obviously the Porsche and Mercedes museums are near Stuttgart so you might want to allocate more time there.
Just a thought.....
Hopefully this helps!
The panzer was a minimal cost upgrade for me as a frequent customer. I usually reserve a Bmw 525d or Audi A6 3.0tdi, in class LDAR from Sixt car rental at the airport. When you reserve it from the USA on the English website, it will be with unlimited kms.
www.sixt.com
This LDAR class (A6/525) of car for me for 17 days was 900 euro or about US$1,000 including tax and airport surcharge or about $59/day.
The update to the panzer made the bill go to 1.150 euro or about $1,265 or $74/day.
I didn't accept the cdw or other insurance as my credit card covers this. If your card doesn't cover it, that would be an extra cost to you.
So, from the west coast USA approximately for 17 days:
Airline 1,500
Car 1,000
Hotels 1,700 (not 5 star, 3/4 including breakfast)
Petrol 600 (depending on how much you drive)
Other meals and a lot of great beer 1,000
Approximately $5,800 for one person, for two, I just add another airline ticket and some extra spending money as the hotel, car and petrol will be the same.. If you round it up to $8k for 2 persons you will be fine.
On a side note, the panzer is quite large, but I took it because I know where I'm going and have access to parking when I'm not at hotels. An A6 or Bmw 5 series is smaller but just as fast. I took the panzer because I was driving more than 2,000 + miles this trip and I wanted to be extremely comfortable. Can't beat an S Class for this!
A good route would be fly into Berlin, then drive to Munich, then Stuttgart, then Cologne, then Hamburg and fly back from Hamburg or Berlin. That's a 1 lap of Germany, with a couple days in each city to explore.
Obviously the Porsche and Mercedes museums are near Stuttgart so you might want to allocate more time there.
Just a thought.....
Hopefully this helps!
The organized tours sound nice as well, but obviously there is a mark-up to allow them to take care of all the details. Travelling with a group of like-minded people is nice though.
Ok, the wheels in my head are turning...looks like Germany will be our next big trip....
Rich
10-30-2016, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Richard S
That's great info, thanks! We recently rented a Mercedes CLA from Sixt when we went to Scotland this past June. Very affordable, and the diesel got spectacular gas mileage.
The organized tours sound nice as well, but obviously there is a mark-up to allow them to take care of all the details. Travelling with a group of like-minded people is nice though.
Ok, the wheels in my head are turning...looks like Germany will be our next big trip....
Rich
The organized tours sound nice as well, but obviously there is a mark-up to allow them to take care of all the details. Travelling with a group of like-minded people is nice though.
Ok, the wheels in my head are turning...looks like Germany will be our next big trip....
Rich
Best regards,
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My 928 has not made it to Europe this summer, nothing new there 😂, but I've managed to make it for this special occasion and be able to drive a 928 here as well...
Not too bad 😊
Merci * Porsche Club 928 France 🇫🇷 👍🏼👍🏼 40 ans/Jahre/year anniversary of the 928 😊
Not too bad 😊
Merci * Porsche Club 928 France 🇫🇷 👍🏼👍🏼 40 ans/Jahre/year anniversary of the 928 😊
05-28-2017, 01:53 PM
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Have you ever seen the bumper to bumper traffic on German Autobahn? Maybe one very early Sunday morning you will be lucky to find an open road for high speed driving.
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05-29-2017, 01:47 PM
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Full tank of gas on the road at top speed
If you drive at full speed for as long as you can go with a full tank of gas, what's going to cause problems first? Specifically, in boosted engines, which means that the car doesn't have to be geared for super high rpms.
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Tuomo, I do not know what will happen to your twin turbo 928 if you try to do the same. For sure you will not be able to go top speed all the way as your car is so much faster then the Beetle. If you drive at night during a weekend you may be lucky and experience quite some open road most of the time. With good preparations your car hopefully will fulfil the test. Have a look at what Georg Suennen has achieved with his car racing at very high speed.
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