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03-13-2015, 11:29 PM
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Well Ford is bringing back another GT so....
Hopefully a return won't be that rehash of a cayenne two door...seriously, I saw an article along those lines. Might've well been a Infinity FX, by shape.
With all the folks that have been thumping on the value thread for years- and now finally gaining traction with Pano which is like an indicator of revalidation/legitimacy....well, retro sells sometimes and some of the big marques are raking in sales on resuscitated platforms, why not Porsche? But perhaps rennlist should prepare a separate subforum for any modern day 928 or 928 derivative.
And I hope that the forecast for no V8 coupe turns out to be false, but we'll see.
Hopefully a return won't be that rehash of a cayenne two door...seriously, I saw an article along those lines. Might've well been a Infinity FX, by shape.
With all the folks that have been thumping on the value thread for years- and now finally gaining traction with Pano which is like an indicator of revalidation/legitimacy....well, retro sells sometimes and some of the big marques are raking in sales on resuscitated platforms, why not Porsche? But perhaps rennlist should prepare a separate subforum for any modern day 928 or 928 derivative.
And I hope that the forecast for no V8 coupe turns out to be false, but we'll see.
03-13-2015, 11:50 PM
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Well the automatic gearbox in the 928 was from Mercedes. How would that play into clean sheet design philosophy of the 928?
the panamera could be considered a clean sheet design. Even if the drivetrain was from the cayenne, it was still designed by Porsche. They spend alot of money and effort on the panamera just like they did with the 928. They owed so much money after the panamera that VW had to buy them.
As far as modern cars go, I consider the likes of the 550 Manarello modern examples or dare I say derivatives of the old 928. They redefined car design with the 928 and as a result other car makers took those ideas and implemented into their own.
The Countach is alright, I understand that it was the big car poster picture in most bedrooms back in the day. But looking at it now and comparing it to the 928, the countach looks like a cheaply made kit car toy with odd proportions regardless of how expensive they are. The interior design is terrible for comparison.
There was noting comparable to the 928s design when it first came to the show rooms in 78.
the panamera could be considered a clean sheet design. Even if the drivetrain was from the cayenne, it was still designed by Porsche. They spend alot of money and effort on the panamera just like they did with the 928. They owed so much money after the panamera that VW had to buy them.
As far as modern cars go, I consider the likes of the 550 Manarello modern examples or dare I say derivatives of the old 928. They redefined car design with the 928 and as a result other car makers took those ideas and implemented into their own.
The Countach is alright, I understand that it was the big car poster picture in most bedrooms back in the day. But looking at it now and comparing it to the 928, the countach looks like a cheaply made kit car toy with odd proportions regardless of how expensive they are. The interior design is terrible for comparison.
There was noting comparable to the 928s design when it first came to the show rooms in 78.
03-14-2015, 12:04 AM
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Let's just suppose Porsche builds a modern reincarnate 928.
How many of y'all would have the 200K + buy in to get one?
I'll start first. I could prolly swing it, but I can't justify it. There are other things I could get for that kind of money.
How many of y'all would have the 200K + buy in to get one?
I'll start first. I could prolly swing it, but I can't justify it. There are other things I could get for that kind of money.
03-14-2015, 12:12 AM
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This is splitting the tiniest of hairs since I've really only seen most people refer to the 928 as the first clean sheet design, not the only.....since technically the Boxster is the second.
As for spending time and money, the Boxster had the biggest shoes to fill since it was introduced at at time when Porsche was losing money on every car sold and needed to make a profit ASAP.
I've often thought the Daytona could actually have been the car that caused Porsche to sit up and take notice that maybe they needed something other than a bare bones sports car to lead their company into the future.
The Countach is alright, I understand that it was the big car poster picture in most bedrooms back in the day. But looking at it now and comparing it to the 928, the countach looks like a cheaply made kit car toy with odd proportions regardless of how expensive they are.
You need to remember the Countach hit the scene in 1971..........when anything from Stuttgart was still sitting on a modified VW floorplan. It was a Victoria Secret supermodel walking into your Junior Prom.
The same number of us that had $75k to buy our cars new back in the day!!!
This brings up a good point though, Porsche does not care (nor should they) what "we" think. There was a famous quote back in the 90's when Porsche announced the next 911 would be water cooled. Someone made a comment to the head of Porsche about the 911 purist not "accepting" the new car. His reply was they didn't care, that's not their target customer....and the 996 went on to shatter sales records.......and now you can buy a used one for the price of a new Kia.
03-14-2015, 12:15 AM
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Point well taken... Porsche could give a rats *** what owners of $5,000 to $20,000 twenty to thirty year old Porsche cars think about their new cars......THEY ONLY MAKE money on new car sales !!!! and most here are NOT willing to spend $150,000 plus on a " new 928 " ....
03-14-2015, 12:44 AM
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If Porsche has taken notice of the trends in vintage car retro design, they will come out with a modernized version of their most popular sporty car. Which - was not the 928.
The article is now linked on yahoo, so it's going to get some more play, depending on your profile when you access yahoo, it may not be there.
The Mustang retro, Dodge Challenger, Charger, Chebby Camaro have all been reborn. I'm predicting that we'll have a retro 911, harking back to the 70s circa 930 whale tail with updated performance.
If there's any justice, and following in the tradition of the other retro cars, it'll have 2 turbos, put down massive HP and torque, have 6-8 gears, and will have some retro styling queues. It won't be a 928, because the 928 was never an iconic model, like the Mustang/Challenger/Camaro. If anything, the 928 was always the outlier, and would not do well as a retro design offering.
The article is now linked on yahoo, so it's going to get some more play, depending on your profile when you access yahoo, it may not be there.
The Mustang retro, Dodge Challenger, Charger, Chebby Camaro have all been reborn. I'm predicting that we'll have a retro 911, harking back to the 70s circa 930 whale tail with updated performance.
If there's any justice, and following in the tradition of the other retro cars, it'll have 2 turbos, put down massive HP and torque, have 6-8 gears, and will have some retro styling queues. It won't be a 928, because the 928 was never an iconic model, like the Mustang/Challenger/Camaro. If anything, the 928 was always the outlier, and would not do well as a retro design offering.
03-14-2015, 12:51 AM
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If Porsche has taken notice of the trends in vintage car retro design, they will come out with a modernized version of their most popular sporty car. Which - was not the 928.
..., I'm predicting that we'll have a retro 911, harking back to the 70s circa 930 whale tail with updated performance.
If there's any justice, and following in the tradition of the other retro cars, it'll have 2 turbos, put down massive HP and torque, have 6-8 gears, and will have some retro styling queues. .... not do well as a retro design offering.
..., I'm predicting that we'll have a retro 911, harking back to the 70s circa 930 whale tail with updated performance.
If there's any justice, and following in the tradition of the other retro cars, it'll have 2 turbos, put down massive HP and torque, have 6-8 gears, and will have some retro styling queues. .... not do well as a retro design offering.
03-14-2015, 02:34 AM
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Just as Ford has never stopped making the Mustang, however it went through a makeover to retro it a while back. Same wheelbase, same grill shape, same fastback and rear window, similar tail lights, and a few other styling setups.
I still say if Porsche is going to make a two door car which is iconic to the brand, then the 930 version of the 911 is what you'll get, not the 928. Surely they won't make the 'shooting break' version. Oh I hope not.
I still say if Porsche is going to make a two door car which is iconic to the brand, then the 930 version of the 911 is what you'll get, not the 928. Surely they won't make the 'shooting break' version. Oh I hope not.
03-14-2015, 07:35 AM
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Nostalgia and the desire to "re-live" history is what drives collectors to pay tens of thousands of dollars on vintage cars. The 928 set the standard for a refined luxury GT sports car. The V-8 is what really made it unique when compared to other Porsche's and once the auction houses start paying attention to the 928's pedigree, the excitement will begin to build and our 928's will start to become "A" listers.
Some good PR in a few well regarded magazines would help immensely and jump start this process.
The desire to own something special is a very powerful magnet.
Some good PR in a few well regarded magazines would help immensely and jump start this process.
The desire to own something special is a very powerful magnet.
03-14-2015, 01:10 PM
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For the 1,000,000 time, I'm not Randy V!!!!
I tried, I really did.....
I also wanted a "catch-all" forum to put all the Chevy or other transplant engine projects. Both fell on deaf ears.....
Until Porsche makes an official announcement of the new model, no new forum.
I think I merged like 15 past "new 928" threads together a while back. I guess I could tack this one on the end.
You are missing the point.
The 928 was the first road car every created 100% by Porsche, in house on a clean sheet design. Nothing was carried over, copied or used from any other past model (not counting stupid **** like relay's). It was one of the most innovated and impressive cars to ever hit the show car circuit. Probably only shadowed by the Countach.....and look at the impact that car had on the automotive world.
Cars designed like the 928 do not exist anymore, at least not for less than 7 figures.
It's a bygone era that makes our cars so special and every single 928 owners should fully understand and respect this......Or be flogged repeatedly at SITM.
Actually that would be bad since people looking at the "new" 928 would never fully appreciate the "old" 928.
Do you honestly think the surgeon who just bought a $200,000 Porsche GT Coupe is going to pull up next to your 928 and go "Oh wow...never noticed how cool those were until I bought this....." He will most likely see your car as a degradation to his new ride, like the way most 911 owners look at 944's.
Keep dreaming, it doesn't work that way. People are not going to walk into a Porsche dealership looking at a $150,000 "new" 928 and go "Oh hell...I'll just pay $50k for this clapped out 87 S4 instead..."
If it does cause any appreciation for our cars, it's for the wrong reason and will be a short lived "spike" that doesn't help overall long term values.
It will be especially bad when the "new" 928 production swamps the market and those values tank on the resale market (have you seen what a used Panamera can had had for.......)
What do you thank a vintage 928 will be worth when a "new" one can be had for $20k at your neighborhood used car lot? My local sleeze-bag used car lot has three (yes three) Cayenne's parked next to rusty Kia's right now.
Go ask 1st generation Boxster owners what happened to the value of their cars when the 987 came out........
For the 1,000,000 time, I'm not Randy V!!!!
I tried, I really did.....
I also wanted a "catch-all" forum to put all the Chevy or other transplant engine projects. Both fell on deaf ears.....
Until Porsche makes an official announcement of the new model, no new forum.
I think I merged like 15 past "new 928" threads together a while back. I guess I could tack this one on the end.
You are missing the point.
The 928 was the first road car every created 100% by Porsche, in house on a clean sheet design. Nothing was carried over, copied or used from any other past model (not counting stupid **** like relay's). It was one of the most innovated and impressive cars to ever hit the show car circuit. Probably only shadowed by the Countach.....and look at the impact that car had on the automotive world.
Cars designed like the 928 do not exist anymore, at least not for less than 7 figures.
It's a bygone era that makes our cars so special and every single 928 owners should fully understand and respect this......Or be flogged repeatedly at SITM.
Actually that would be bad since people looking at the "new" 928 would never fully appreciate the "old" 928.
Do you honestly think the surgeon who just bought a $200,000 Porsche GT Coupe is going to pull up next to your 928 and go "Oh wow...never noticed how cool those were until I bought this....." He will most likely see your car as a degradation to his new ride, like the way most 911 owners look at 944's.
Keep dreaming, it doesn't work that way. People are not going to walk into a Porsche dealership looking at a $150,000 "new" 928 and go "Oh hell...I'll just pay $50k for this clapped out 87 S4 instead..."
If it does cause any appreciation for our cars, it's for the wrong reason and will be a short lived "spike" that doesn't help overall long term values.
It will be especially bad when the "new" 928 production swamps the market and those values tank on the resale market (have you seen what a used Panamera can had had for.......)
What do you thank a vintage 928 will be worth when a "new" one can be had for $20k at your neighborhood used car lot? My local sleeze-bag used car lot has three (yes three) Cayenne's parked next to rusty Kia's right now.
Go ask 1st generation Boxster owners what happened to the value of their cars when the 987 came out........
The objective part is that we scored the best ground up GT in the history of mankind. A car that invokes a visceral passion.
Hell, I've been caught sneaking out to the garage at night, just to sit in it and smell that oil and old leather.
The rest is subjective. I agree to disagree on some of it.
No idea when, if, or how a next gen. car would be.
And to try and gauge the general public's reaction to that next gen. car, and ours by proxy, remains pretty slippery.
I can tell you that I'm a surgeon, and I walked right by a 996 to get to buy my 928.
There's a chance that guy that pulls up in his $200,000 GT coupe is thinking that he got his because he always loved ours, but knew he couldn't do the work on it.
03-14-2015, 01:44 PM
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IMO, Porsche will most definitely build a V8 GT again.
It is much easier to bring a car to market with CAD than it was when the 928 was being conceived.
That said, BMW has more models than i can keep track of. You'd think this would be a financial strain but obviously not for BMW.
Porsche can find a way to offer a lux GT again.
It is much easier to bring a car to market with CAD than it was when the 928 was being conceived.
That said, BMW has more models than i can keep track of. You'd think this would be a financial strain but obviously not for BMW.
Porsche can find a way to offer a lux GT again.
03-14-2015, 01:59 PM
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best to keep in mind that Porsche no longer exists as a separate independent company....it is owned by Volkswagon and they control it's destiny and appointed the CEO ....
The future holds more shared platforms and engines plus badge engineering.....
The interesting recent model is the GT4 Cayman....FINALLY they put in a "911" engine and allowed the mid-engine design to challenge the sacred 911 in performance !! Could have been done many years ago..perhaps should have been.
The future holds more shared platforms and engines plus badge engineering.....
The interesting recent model is the GT4 Cayman....FINALLY they put in a "911" engine and allowed the mid-engine design to challenge the sacred 911 in performance !! Could have been done many years ago..perhaps should have been.
03-14-2015, 03:15 PM
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I was thinking about this topic this morning.
The objective part is that we scored the best ground up GT in the history of mankind. A car that invokes a visceral passion.
Hell, I've been caught sneaking out to the garage at night, just to sit in it and smell that oil and old leather.
The rest is subjective. I agree to disagree on some of it.
No idea when, if, or how a next gen. car would be.
And to try and gauge the general public's reaction to that next gen. car, and ours by proxy, remains pretty slippery.
The objective part is that we scored the best ground up GT in the history of mankind. A car that invokes a visceral passion.
Hell, I've been caught sneaking out to the garage at night, just to sit in it and smell that oil and old leather.
The rest is subjective. I agree to disagree on some of it.
No idea when, if, or how a next gen. car would be.
And to try and gauge the general public's reaction to that next gen. car, and ours by proxy, remains pretty slippery.
If this "new" 928 causes anyone to now appreciate our cars, I'm not sure it's a good thing since the sentiment will be misguided.
Fast forward to 10 years of production of the "new" 928 when there are 100,000+ of them on the road and they are sitting in used cars lots for the price of a new Kia (or less). I fail to see how that is a good "carrier of the torch" for our cars.
best to keep in mind that Porsche no longer exists as a separate independent company....it is owned by Volkswagon and they control it's destiny and appointed the CEO ....
The future holds more shared platforms and engines plus badge engineering.....
The interesting recent model is the GT4 Cayman....FINALLY they put in a "911" engine and allowed the mid-engine design to challenge the sacred 911 in performance !! Could have been done many years ago..perhaps should have been.
The future holds more shared platforms and engines plus badge engineering.....
The interesting recent model is the GT4 Cayman....FINALLY they put in a "911" engine and allowed the mid-engine design to challenge the sacred 911 in performance !! Could have been done many years ago..perhaps should have been.
Imagine that, the next 928 sharing a platform with a VW. God help us..........
