New product. Injector adaptors
10-15-2014, 02:13 PM
#61
Glad you make the fuel lines and other parts for my car! I think we all appreciate it!
We also appreciate the hard won experience and opinion of somebody who is working on our cars daily! Those kind of insights help newbs like me figure out what to try myself, what to hand over to real mechanic and how to diagnose whats wrong. Thanks again!!
We also appreciate the hard won experience and opinion of somebody who is working on our cars daily! Those kind of insights help newbs like me figure out what to try myself, what to hand over to real mechanic and how to diagnose whats wrong. Thanks again!!
10-15-2014, 02:51 PM
#62
Rennlist Member
Maybe for a bag full of goodies, I (see note) could build you a website with all your offerings and which vendors carry them? It would be fun hanging out in the shop, shooting the **** and inventorying/photoing these.
(note) by "I" I mean someone. :O)
(note) by "I" I mean someone. :O)
10-15-2014, 04:56 PM
#63
Drifting
Good idea but it will be difficult to patent. http://www.google.ca/search?q=fuel+i...ed=0CAcQ_AUoAQ
of the thing making it work with ours and a few other makes
would essentially protect it from the copy cats i would guess.
I came up with 12 innovative car products along with 1 i was already selling in Panorama about 15? years ago.
Many were ripped off.
One of them was the spray on-wash off stone chip protection coating. I think that one is also being sold now too.
Another fiasco involved a professional marketing agency (Advanced Marketing Solutions) which essentially stole about $20k from my Wife and I
and marketed a similar product to mine on the side for themselves.
They were to bring it to TV for me. After all this i gave up on product development.
Anyway, I sent the same package of 12 product offering to some well known catalogs to be a vendor supplying
them with my products.
Automotion (Performance Products) and Griot's were in there.
They both responded to me with saying the catalog biz is really slow right now...
A couple years later a saw more than a few of my ideas in their catalogs.
Every time i see that Griot's weeny bearing down on that Ferrari with his fancy-boy buffer i get annoyed..
I would never knowingly take another's idea and use it to profit
but it's really a dog eat dog world out there unfortunately.
BTW, the design patent application is $190.
Last edited by The Fixer; 10-15-2014 at 05:31 PM.
10-15-2014, 05:24 PM
#64
Rennlist Member
Nobody likes to be criticized about what they sink their hearts and souls into (including your "competitors", who you're pretty rough on, too...), but sadly, that's how it goes. But for every one person who rags on your stuff, there's probably 20 that silently praise it. You can't win everyone over, and not everyone is going to worship your work or recognize your genius. Throughout history (Copernicus, Tesla, etc.), this has been the case.
I mean, it would be an absolute shame if you stopped doing 928 work because, well, parts can be scarce. But, if the future of maintaining our cars depends on how fierce internet trolls can be, well, we should probably start selling now anyway.
10-15-2014, 06:03 PM
#65
This looks great Greg! I have been putting off replacing the injectors on my 1984 US due to the insane replacement price, but with adapters like these I might just make the jump with the cheaper Type 2 injectors. If this is a stupid question please feel to flame me as I don't have a ton of knowledge on the subject, but are all Bosch Type 2 high impedance injectors the same? And which vehicles used these injectors? I only ask because most of the parts places around where I live need the vehicle type in order for them to know if they have them in stock--if I just ask for Bosch Type 2 injectors I'll probably get nothing but a blank stare in return. 
Thanks again! These were made just in time for me.
Thanks again! These were made just in time for me.
10-15-2014, 06:53 PM
#66
Rennlist Member
I know the late model Mustang fox body 5.0's use the type II injectors. Ford racing also had 4 hole ones made. They cost ~$100 for a good used set of 8.
10-15-2014, 07:37 PM
#67
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
It's doubtful that there's anyone who owns a 928 who doesn't appreciate the work that you do. But you literally just threatened to take your ball and go home because people were mean to you on the internet?
Nobody likes to be criticized about what they sink their hearts and souls into (including your "competitors", who you're pretty rough on, too...), but sadly, that's how it goes. But for every one person who rags on your stuff, there's probably 20 that silently praise it. You can't win everyone over, and not everyone is going to worship your work or recognize your genius. Throughout history (Copernicus, Tesla, etc.), this has been the case.
I mean, it would be an absolute shame if you stopped doing 928 work because, well, parts can be scarce. But, if the future of maintaining our cars depends on how fierce internet trolls can be, well, we should probably start selling now anyway.
Nobody likes to be criticized about what they sink their hearts and souls into (including your "competitors", who you're pretty rough on, too...), but sadly, that's how it goes. But for every one person who rags on your stuff, there's probably 20 that silently praise it. You can't win everyone over, and not everyone is going to worship your work or recognize your genius. Throughout history (Copernicus, Tesla, etc.), this has been the case.
I mean, it would be an absolute shame if you stopped doing 928 work because, well, parts can be scarce. But, if the future of maintaining our cars depends on how fierce internet trolls can be, well, we should probably start selling now anyway.
However, when someone makes something ridiculous in design, fit, function....something that should never ever even been considered to be made (and I'm not going to itemize them, a search will bring up the absurd things I've been critical about), I'm going to say so. Simply because there is some "home guy", out there, that needs to be protected from these trolls or snake oil salesmen.
There's a huge reach between that and beating me to death over a 300M, perfectly engineered and perfectly built, replacement clutch shaft.
Like I said...I do this stuff because I love it.
I love the cars.
I like the majority of people that own them or work on them.
I don't need to do it.
I don't have to do it.
I can order up a fleet of dumpsters, walk away, and never look back.
I think we, as a community, need to deal with these trolls.
Ignore them. Don't feed them. Hopefully, they will go away.
Last edited by GregBBRD; 10-15-2014 at 08:05 PM.
10-15-2014, 08:10 PM
#68
Shameful Thread Killer
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I'll PM you an address for that dumpster load.
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Like I said, it's all about the cheap. Keep up the good work.
mmmuuuuuuaauaahahahhahhahahahhaaa!!!
Like I said, it's all about the cheap. Keep up the good work.
10-15-2014, 08:17 PM
#69
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
This looks great Greg! I have been putting off replacing the injectors on my 1984 US due to the insane replacement price, but with adapters like these I might just make the jump with the cheaper Type 2 injectors. If this is a stupid question please feel to flame me as I don't have a ton of knowledge on the subject, but are all Bosch Type 2 high impedance injectors the same? And which vehicles used these injectors? I only ask because most of the parts places around where I live need the vehicle type in order for them to know if they have them in stock--if I just ask for Bosch Type 2 injectors I'll probably get nothing but a blank stare in return.
Thanks again! These were made just in time for me.
Thanks again! These were made just in time for me.
For the Euro cars, I've still got some of the Bosch 0 280 150 947 "Ford Motorsports" injectors (24 pounds). Should work perfectly for the stock engines....and I'd guess that they should be available on Ebay.
I've found that the Accel line of injectors seem to be quite nice and economical to buy new. I've used probably 10 sets of these, with zero issues.
150819....19 pounds.
150821....21 pounds.
150824....24 pounds.
150830....30 pounds.
All of these are $274 for a set of 8, from Summit.
For less than $500, you can have injectors, adaptors, O-rings, new fuel hoses and clamps.
Tough to go very far wrong with that!
10-15-2014, 09:29 PM
#70
Nordschleife Master
The people threadcrapping are never going to buy any of this stuff, ignore them. I doubt they are going to sit down at a lathe and make a set of 8 that work either.
10-15-2014, 09:48 PM
#72
Rennlist Member
I agree.
I'm a pretty darn good machinist, myself.
I designed and built these, because I needed them for my own use on one client's car.
I made a couple prototypes, tested them, made some modifications, made another one, made some more modifications, and them made a final version. One final version.
When the time came to make 7 more, I almost made them, then realized the time it was going to take me to make those 7 pieces, with the "tight" dimensions and shapes required, for the injector to properly plug in, not fold the o-ring, not leak, and properly be retained.
There's no doubt I could have built 7 more, by hand, charged the customer for a couple days of my time to develop, test, and hand make h a set of these things....a couple of thousand bucks....and he would have been thrilled....because it would have fixed his non-solvable injector problem, on his beloved 928! And I, personally would be far better off, financially...because I'd have gotten paid for my time!
However, while thst would have kept this piece totally mine, that would not have helped anyone else, who has the same problem. John Speake would still have 2 sets of leaking Euro injectors! Roger would be begging people for spare injectors.
I knew it would take me hours to make 7 more. So, I had a choice. I could charge one customer for my time, or I could pay to have them made on a CNC machine, with the only requirement being that I'd need to make several hundreds of them, to make the programming and set-up worthwhile. Even using a CNC and making hundreds, I end up making a couple of dollars, per piece. I'll "break even", on my investment in about 5 years, if lots of people buy them. This benefited a bunch of other people....but cost me a few thousand dollars!
I didn't make these things to get rich. The profit margin doesn't justify a patent. I made them for the community...to solve a problem.
There's a very tiny percentage of people, out there, that do what I do and think like I think.
I work on these cars and develop products that help owners repair these cars....just hoping that someday, I'll break even on my investment in the number of pieces I need to make to break even....completely independent of the developmental costs.
If I quit making all pieces related to 928s tomorrow and went back to doing oil changes and brake jobs on every Porsche out there, my income would double or triple, instantly!
I'm 62. I don't need to work. I don't need much income, if any. I do this stuff because I love it. I love solving problems. I live helping people. I love these cars.
If people think they can make these things, at home, for less than the $15 a piece I sell them for....their time is one hell of less valuable than mine!
And like I said, in a previous post...you people can support the people that are honestly developing pieces for these cars, or you can buy copies or make things yourselves....but when I finally get fed up with the tiny group of trolls that enjoy taking pot shots at everything I do and I throw everything related to 928s into the trash....I think that keeping the 928 running is going to be a far tougher job.
You can call that ego, you can call that reality, I do not care. I know what I make. I know how many hundreds, if not thousands of 928 owners benefit from my work, my knowledge, my products.
This last round of bull**** about my replacement 300M clutch shaft not being stronger, better, and cheaper than the original just about did me in....very close to dumping everything into the dumpster and saying **** it.
If you think that benefits you and the 928 community, as a whole, keep it up.
If you think I'm doing things to help you and the community, as a whole, step up and tell the trolls to knock it off. Buy my stuff instead of "knocking it off", so I can afford to develop and built the next pieces...for your cars!
I'm a pretty darn good machinist, myself.
I designed and built these, because I needed them for my own use on one client's car.
I made a couple prototypes, tested them, made some modifications, made another one, made some more modifications, and them made a final version. One final version.
When the time came to make 7 more, I almost made them, then realized the time it was going to take me to make those 7 pieces, with the "tight" dimensions and shapes required, for the injector to properly plug in, not fold the o-ring, not leak, and properly be retained.
There's no doubt I could have built 7 more, by hand, charged the customer for a couple days of my time to develop, test, and hand make h a set of these things....a couple of thousand bucks....and he would have been thrilled....because it would have fixed his non-solvable injector problem, on his beloved 928! And I, personally would be far better off, financially...because I'd have gotten paid for my time!
However, while thst would have kept this piece totally mine, that would not have helped anyone else, who has the same problem. John Speake would still have 2 sets of leaking Euro injectors! Roger would be begging people for spare injectors.
I knew it would take me hours to make 7 more. So, I had a choice. I could charge one customer for my time, or I could pay to have them made on a CNC machine, with the only requirement being that I'd need to make several hundreds of them, to make the programming and set-up worthwhile. Even using a CNC and making hundreds, I end up making a couple of dollars, per piece. I'll "break even", on my investment in about 5 years, if lots of people buy them. This benefited a bunch of other people....but cost me a few thousand dollars!
I didn't make these things to get rich. The profit margin doesn't justify a patent. I made them for the community...to solve a problem.
There's a very tiny percentage of people, out there, that do what I do and think like I think.
I work on these cars and develop products that help owners repair these cars....just hoping that someday, I'll break even on my investment in the number of pieces I need to make to break even....completely independent of the developmental costs.
If I quit making all pieces related to 928s tomorrow and went back to doing oil changes and brake jobs on every Porsche out there, my income would double or triple, instantly!
I'm 62. I don't need to work. I don't need much income, if any. I do this stuff because I love it. I love solving problems. I live helping people. I love these cars.
If people think they can make these things, at home, for less than the $15 a piece I sell them for....their time is one hell of less valuable than mine!
And like I said, in a previous post...you people can support the people that are honestly developing pieces for these cars, or you can buy copies or make things yourselves....but when I finally get fed up with the tiny group of trolls that enjoy taking pot shots at everything I do and I throw everything related to 928s into the trash....I think that keeping the 928 running is going to be a far tougher job.
You can call that ego, you can call that reality, I do not care. I know what I make. I know how many hundreds, if not thousands of 928 owners benefit from my work, my knowledge, my products.
This last round of bull**** about my replacement 300M clutch shaft not being stronger, better, and cheaper than the original just about did me in....very close to dumping everything into the dumpster and saying **** it.
If you think that benefits you and the 928 community, as a whole, keep it up.
If you think I'm doing things to help you and the community, as a whole, step up and tell the trolls to knock it off. Buy my stuff instead of "knocking it off", so I can afford to develop and built the next pieces...for your cars!
You are the best. I keep looking for ways to use your products.
Please keep up the good work.
Dave
10-15-2014, 10:18 PM
#74
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
10-15-2014, 10:20 PM
#75
Former Vendor
Thread Starter