mark kibort

Discussing options for a friend with a 6 liter original devek stroker .
black on black 5 speed.
C2 rims
koni/eibach
devek swaybar
body looks pretty nice - paint looks great.
rear painted wing
GTS rear bumper cover with reflective stripe
GTS clutch
transmission / clutch perfect.
LSD

engine 6.0 liter (not 6.5liter) with corrilo rods, scat crank, weisco 100mm pistons with Porsche coating.
stock heads and cams
120k miles, 140k miles on the car
a little dirty
runs well.
dyno'ed at 320rwhp and 350rwt.
RRFR

the bad:
interior a little rough. rear panel needs replacement.
all interior lighting is broken, needs re-wiring
AC no workey, but has a new dryer and compressor ready to install.
sunroof moves slow

what would you pay? what would you think it would be worth some someone that really wanted an S4 5 speed?

JakeS2

sunroofless? m220 ?

mark kibort

sunroof... 2.2 rear end LSD

Kevin in Atlanta

Salvage title?

BC

What is the vin?

Rob Edwards

Clear title? Accident history? (why the GTS bumper cover) VIN?

I could swear I remember talking to Susan Thomas about this car, pretty sure it was listed on the Devek website, so that would have been spring 2006. It needed rear interior quarter panels. Maybe the same car, maybe not.

How many miles on the Wiseco pistons with Porsche coating? What's the oil consumption like?

Hilton

I'd price it the same as I'd price a running, registered, stock '88 5-speed S4.. i.e. based on condition of the interior, exterior, and state of the engine electrics (knock sensors, diagnostic results etc).

Sorry, but the stroker and suspension mods don't make it worth more IMO, if anything it adds a bunch of unknowns. An original numbers-matching same-year car would likely be worth more, as thats what has value in the long-term.

Finger in the air guess is $10-12k on a good day.

The car has electrical issues, needs interior work, has a suspicious GTS rear bumper, and has an engine which has spent a good chunk of its life running badly (see previous threads), so has very unknown condition of engine internals.

GregBBRD

Because it is so rare to have a Devek engine that is actually running, it may have more value, in the collectors market, as a "curiosity piece".

Brett Jenkins

I think this is the car I almost bought until I found the 88 S4 5-speed in Ohio. Was going to fly out and drive it back to Indiana. I'd still like to have it.

RET

Greg - Once again, your writing has caused a another small crisis of confidence for me. Can you be specific about the kinds of problems you have seen or heard of? Are the problems engineering, parts quality, or workmanship issues? I would appreciate your comments. I have had no engine-related problems (...so far...), but I would like to know what has happened with others. Thanks! - Bob

DKWalser

Mark - Given your description of the car, I think I would have been willing to pay up to $8k for the car. I would have estimated it would take at least $10k to correct the things wrong with the car. I would have paid $20k for one that is already in good condition. I would expect some discount from that number if I were to assume the risk that it would cost more than my estimate.

dr bob

A complete and in good condition S-4 5-speed that will actually pass California smog is a $10-15k car. The Devek stroker is a wildcard factor. If it has another 100k miles in it, it's a plus. Otherwise I have to wait for Thanksgiving and hope that Mark has a good S4 engine on holiday special to drop in. Minus $3.5-5k.

With all the stuff it might need to get it current as far as rubber bits, it's a poster child for dr bob's $5k automatic budget impact. But that's already built into the $10-15k number, so no net impact except on the total budget.

The trashed interior is subjective. I'd need to check with Mark on a used interior. Budget $3k or so?

The lighting fixtures damage is almost expected. The wiring issues are not.

The GTS rear cover on its own isn't a deal breaker, but it is a telltale of a rear impact that deserves serious inspection. Anything showing structural damage/distortion in the body would drop the value a lot, making it uneconomical to buy and restore the car even for extended personal ownership. At least for me...



So, assuming that labor is free and there are no other surprises, I'd probably start the bidding at $5k after satisfactory structural inspection, and set a hard spending limit at about $8-10k, depending on what else it actually needs. That would put the total budget for car and pieces a little under $20k all-in, plus my labor.

*** Note that this is -MY- valuation method. I've purchased or evaluated other 928's (for others) since I bought mine, and tend to have a cynical eye for cars that have extended "recovery" needed. This one does have the 5-speed, but has some driveline and interior cosmetic variables that make a higher valuation tough without confirming what they all might be. YMMV of course.


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Lunchtime discussion last week included casual speculation about the precipitous depreciation slide on Rolls-Royce cars. Very nice 5 year old example sold for a bit under $30k recently, off slightly from its original ~~$180k sticker. In classic JB cynicism, it's $50k away from being a $25k car. Moral: As I look at what the total scope, budget and schedule need to be to make that 928 comparable to what I'm driving now, I also need to look at other options for car toys. Might not be a roller. Might be a Benz muscle car, an S8 sedan, etc. Lots of places to park money for a long while.

FBIII

I think from RET's post it is an 89GT.
From : interior a little rough. rear panel needs replacement. How do you get to: the interior is trashed and needs replaced?
I think if the owner spent a weekend with Lexol and a vacuum cleaner, spent a couple hundred putting the a/c put back together, he would have a 15K car if he put it on Ebay hilighting all the "trick" aftermarket parts that have been added. Looks like a nice driveable track car.

mark kibort

ha ha ha.. I actually laughed at that one. The history between you and the Devek folks. Can you believe that this has all gone on for over 20 years now?

Rob Edwards

Since you'll have a large yard to tend, may I suggest:

http://jalopnik.com/350z-hilariously...win-1575095630