shaving wheels to fit
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ET68 for 9.5" wheel is way too little. CS/SE/'89GT 8x16 wheel has ET60. For 9.5" to stick out same as it needs ET to be 79mm. Whole point of having custom 3 piece wheels is to have them in correct offset. Which is very difficult to do with off the shelve parts. 9.5" ET68 is racing size used by factory but I bet they wouldn't use it in street car. I would also hope to use wider tire on 9.5" wheel. Preferably 285's.
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so.. lets see.. you shave the hubs on a set of cast wheels in 1988.... set a 200+ mph land speed record on the salt flats, re use the wheels on your daily driver for 30 years and that isn't good enough for ya? good luck....let me know how your internet engineering works for you. I created a one of a kind 928 engine more than 15 years ago, and people called me a hoax... people that never met me or rode in my 928.... and you posers wonder why the real 928 owners never show up or post here...
There are plenty of wheels that will fit a 928 properly. Point being, unless you're an engineer who knows what he's doing, why take the risk?
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so.. lets see.. you shave the hubs on a set of cast wheels in 1988.... set a 200+ mph land speed record on the salt flats, re use the wheels on your daily driver for 30 years and that isn't good enough for ya? good luck....let me know how your internet engineering works for you. I created a one of a kind 928 engine more than 15 years ago, and people called me a hoax... people that never met me or rode in my 928.... and you posers wonder why the real 928 owners never show up or post here...
How about some specifics on said wheels? Before / after measurements, what they are made from etc.... That would be really helpful. As it was pointed out in this thread more than once, these specifications can vary.
The professional metallurgist I spoke to about this idea agrees it's a horrible and dangerous idea based on the Porsche wheels we measured.
I'll take the advice from someone who's an expert in all things metal over a "motorsports engineer".
He too has welded wheels to make them wider (my set of 9.5" phone dials came from him). Which is a totally different argument and discussion.
I've been around racing since the day I was born. I've seen some very stupid ideas work very well and win many races. Sometimes luck is on your side. Other times it's crash and burn, people get hurt.
When it comes to spreading advice across a public car forum, it's smart to error on the side of caution. What some "motorsport engineer" does with his own car and equipment is great for him.
Come back with your argument when he starts to market and sell these modified wheels with a full warranty and an insurance company willing to back his work. Then your claim of his expertise as it applies to this discussion might mean something. Until then, it's obvious who the poser is here.......
Whether shaving a wheel works or not, and whether it is safe or not, depends on both the wheel and how well the work is done. What worked on a set of wheels from 1988 might not work on a set of wheels made today; or it might. Today's wheels are generally lighter and use less material. Today's wheels are frequently larger in diameter, which increases the leverage of forces at the rim of the wheel against the hub. And, today's tires provide more grip, again, exerting more forces on the hub. All that leaves less material that can be removed before the wheels are unsafe. But that's just a general rule, to which there are probably lots of exceptions.
There are plenty of wheels that will fit a 928 properly. Point being, unless you're an engineer who knows what he's doing, why take the risk?
There are plenty of wheels that will fit a 928 properly. Point being, unless you're an engineer who knows what he's doing, why take the risk?
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ET68 for 9.5" wheel is way too little. CS/SE/'89GT 8x16 wheel has ET60. For 9.5" to stick out same as it needs ET to be 79mm. Whole point of having custom 3 piece wheels is to have them in correct offset. Which is very difficult to do with off the shelve parts. 9.5" ET68 is racing size used by factory but I bet they wouldn't use it in street car. I would also hope to use wider tire on 9.5" wheel. Preferably 285's.
You appear to be looking at this from a completely different perspective. My point of view is simply why pay for an 8 inch width when you can have a 9.5 inch rim for the same price? To my way of thinking 8 inch rims and 225 rubber are too skinny for street and most certainly for track work.
That Porsche used the formula I have seems to say something and I would not want to run a 285 section on this size even if it would fit in the wheel well[which it will not at this offset].
I do agree that to fit a 285 section up front you would need more offset but lock would be quite restricted- albeit probably not a problem for a track machine but it would on a street car and it would be rather difficult to make even with 3 piece construction.
I am certainly very happy with this configuration and I have utmost faith in the folks who specfied it.
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You appear to be looking at this from a completely different perspective. My point of view is simply why pay for an 8 inch width when you can have a 9.5 inch rim for the same price? To my way of thinking 8 inch rims and 225 rubber are too skinny for street and most certainly for track work.
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My point is that 928 uses exceptionally large offset wheels. This makes it almost impossible to find wider than 8" for front end regardless of them being 1, 2 or 3 piece design. Price is part of equation but without paying for completely custom setup its impossible to find correct ET wheels. Correct ET means more than what fits well enough not to rub into fenders.
Exactly the point I am making- my wheels fit very well, I had to fit an additional spacer on the rack to avoid contacting the Devek sway bar [first point of contact] and the offset is optimal NSR wise. Doubtless why Porsche used that number albeit I think they used 1 piece wheels that were very heavy. That such are relatively difficult to make there is no doubt and a good set of wheels is going to cost in the region of $6k maybe more since the last time I researched the subject some 6 plus years ago.
My wheel arches are rolled and I run with 2 degrees front camber so no contact on the fenders and everything looks more or less stock except the wheel design of course.
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so.. lets see.. you shave the hubs on a set of cast wheels in 1988.... set a 200+ mph land speed record on the salt flats, re use the wheels on your daily driver for 30 years and that isn't good enough for ya? good luck....let me know how your internet engineering works for you. I created a one of a kind 928 engine more than 15 years ago, and people called me a hoax... people that never met me or rode in my 928.... and you posers wonder why the real 928 owners never show up or post here...
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Whether shaving a wheel works or not, and whether it is safe or not, depends on both the wheel and how well the work is done. What worked on a set of wheels from 1988 might not work on a set of wheels made today; or it might. Today's wheels are generally lighter and use less material. Today's wheels are frequently larger in diameter, which increases the leverage of forces at the rim of the wheel against the hub. And, today's tires provide more grip, again, exerting more forces on the hub. All that leaves less material that can be removed before the wheels are unsafe. But that's just a general rule, to which there are probably lots of exceptions.
There are plenty of wheels that will fit a 928 properly. Point being, unless you're an engineer who knows what he's doing, why take the risk?
There are plenty of wheels that will fit a 928 properly. Point being, unless you're an engineer who knows what he's doing, why take the risk?
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