Fuel lines and fire !!
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Greg,
As always I am sold on your hoses and if you let me have the updated prices I have customers waiting to buy.
Price is always a concern and I would rather sell a kit than allow owners to make mistakes with the wrong type of hose.
I have yet to see any issues with either SAE30R9 or Barricade - but maybe you know different.
To be honest we did have leaks with your hoses but happily you fixed those by changing the termination method.
As long as owners are happy to pay for your superior hoses I will continue to sell them.
Roger
As always I am sold on your hoses and if you let me have the updated prices I have customers waiting to buy.
Price is always a concern and I would rather sell a kit than allow owners to make mistakes with the wrong type of hose.
I have yet to see any issues with either SAE30R9 or Barricade - but maybe you know different.
To be honest we did have leaks with your hoses but happily you fixed those by changing the termination method.
As long as owners are happy to pay for your superior hoses I will continue to sell them.
Roger
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#47
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This is a very interesting and informative write-up on using push-lock fittings and aeroquip push-lock hose. http://www.arnnworx.com/fuel_lines.htm.
The same guy sells push-lock fittings with the globe seals used on our cars. He also sells the aeroquip push lock hose. I don't know if the aeroquip is as methanol resistant as the Gates hose a lot of people are using but the aeroquip is built to be used on aggressive barbs and is not intended to be clamped.
Prices for the fittings are reasonable, but going his route would require using his compression fittings on the hard lines because the 3/8 I.D. aeroquip hose is not a tight fit on the existing barbs or hard lines in our cars.
Here is a link to his stuff: http://www.arnnworx.com/fuel_lines.htm
The same guy sells push-lock fittings with the globe seals used on our cars. He also sells the aeroquip push lock hose. I don't know if the aeroquip is as methanol resistant as the Gates hose a lot of people are using but the aeroquip is built to be used on aggressive barbs and is not intended to be clamped.
Prices for the fittings are reasonable, but going his route would require using his compression fittings on the hard lines because the 3/8 I.D. aeroquip hose is not a tight fit on the existing barbs or hard lines in our cars.
Here is a link to his stuff: http://www.arnnworx.com/fuel_lines.htm
"Pushlock" hose barbs are "another animal" completely. They are completely different than the barbs meant for plastic line. When you push a piece of pushlock hose onto a pushlock fitting....the only way to remove it is to cut it....that stuff really grabs on. That being said, I can't really remember the last time I saw a a piece of pushlock hose, on a pushlock fitting, that had fuel running through it....even on low pressure carburated American Hot Rods.
Also note that "pushlock" is designed for use without clamps....because they know that the clamps are going to cause the inner liner of the hose to be cut on the barbs....just like Gates says it will.
Taking a piece of hose that is too big for the barbs or line, and clamping it down onto the barbs or line isn't anything that I'd even remotely suggest someone do. You would probably be way safer with your 25-30 year old hoses and lines.
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Which kind of puts you in uncharted territory territory how much do you blunt them and what does that do to the integrity of the connection ???? I have no idea and neither do you !! Sure the margin for errror might be pretty broad but who knows ? some people have drilled holes in their head with a drill motor with success, what ever that means they are still alive.
#50
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I am interested for my 1981.
I checked mine yesterday and they are all pliable (doubt mine are original) and checked all the clamps. I count 10 rubber hoses - 8 short and 2 that are about 3 inches long. Is this correct or did I miss some?
I checked mine yesterday and they are all pliable (doubt mine are original) and checked all the clamps. I count 10 rubber hoses - 8 short and 2 that are about 3 inches long. Is this correct or did I miss some?
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Greg,
As always I am sold on your hoses and if you let me have the updated prices I have customers waiting to buy.
Price is always a concern and I would rather sell a kit than allow owners to make mistakes with the wrong type of hose.
I have yet to see any issues with either SAE30R9 or Barricade - but maybe you know different.
To be honest we did have leaks with your hoses but happily you fixed those by changing the termination method.
As long as owners are happy to pay for your superior hoses I will continue to sell them.
Roger
As always I am sold on your hoses and if you let me have the updated prices I have customers waiting to buy.
Price is always a concern and I would rather sell a kit than allow owners to make mistakes with the wrong type of hose.
I have yet to see any issues with either SAE30R9 or Barricade - but maybe you know different.
To be honest we did have leaks with your hoses but happily you fixed those by changing the termination method.
As long as owners are happy to pay for your superior hoses I will continue to sell them.
Roger
I went back to the Germans and asked them to create some hose ends that were for PTFE (teflon) hose and that were "crimped" on...to eliminate the "customer" feeling "the need" to further tighten the fittings.
That "brings" us to the hoses I make today.
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I'm really happy that you have had such great luck with the Gates Barrier hose and clamps on the barbed fittings made for plastic (which Gates says should not be done.) Hard to argue with success, but I'm guessing that Gates might have a reason to not recommend doing this? Perhaps the problems show up after a few years? Hard to know, but they do make the stuff....and it seems like they should know what works and doesn't work? It sure scares me.
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fuel line 87 s4
87 s4, front fuel line curved right side. here is pic. this is plastic fuel line.
is it barbed underneath? can replace with pushlok? and what is the id or inner diameter of this hose?
for all rear engine fuel hoses, are there barbs there as well?
is it barbed underneath? can replace with pushlok? and what is the id or inner diameter of this hose?
for all rear engine fuel hoses, are there barbs there as well?
Last edited by newworld; 04-09-2013 at 10:09 AM.
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Rear hose from filter = Crimped rubber.
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I seriously need to move to Texas. You guys must work under a completely different set of legal rules than I do.
I couldn't buy enough liability insurance, here in California, to cover my *** for installing Gates hose on barbs made for plastic, much less be assurred that I wouldn't end up in jail, if something went wrong:
California Judge:
"Now, Mr. Brown. You installed this Gates hose on these barbed fittings made for plastic hose with full knowledge that Gates specifically recommended that you not do this, resulting in this car fire and terrible burns to Jim?"
Greg:
"Uhhh...well....yes."
California Judge:
"Two questions, Mr. Brown.
What are the limits on all of your insurance policies, all put together? And would the next hour be enough time for you to move out of your house, so that Jim can move in?
Oh, and by the way, Mr. Brown.
I hope you are gay and like it dry. We're going to let you sit in state prison until you figure out why this was so wrong."
Seriously....that's exactly how this would go, here in California!
I couldn't do this, if I wanted to.
I couldn't buy enough liability insurance, here in California, to cover my *** for installing Gates hose on barbs made for plastic, much less be assurred that I wouldn't end up in jail, if something went wrong:
California Judge:
"Now, Mr. Brown. You installed this Gates hose on these barbed fittings made for plastic hose with full knowledge that Gates specifically recommended that you not do this, resulting in this car fire and terrible burns to Jim?"
Greg:
"Uhhh...well....yes."
California Judge:
"Two questions, Mr. Brown.
What are the limits on all of your insurance policies, all put together? And would the next hour be enough time for you to move out of your house, so that Jim can move in?
Oh, and by the way, Mr. Brown.
I hope you are gay and like it dry. We're going to let you sit in state prison until you figure out why this was so wrong."
Seriously....that's exactly how this would go, here in California!
I couldn't do this, if I wanted to.