Victor's Rotrex Supercharger Kit - Group Buy?
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These are always great events...be nice if one could be set up for the Friday (or Sunday) around Sharktoberfest....
We've done a few here in the PacNW and they are a blast...nothing like getting the timeslips at the end and seeing what's real.. The adrenaline rush at the line is intoxicating.... It really isn't as simple as it looks...and everyone (including the concours owners) enjoy it as it really doesn't hammer the car too much.. (heck...the on-ramps at home here are mini drag strips for me) LOL....
We've done a few here in the PacNW and they are a blast...nothing like getting the timeslips at the end and seeing what's real.. The adrenaline rush at the line is intoxicating.... It really isn't as simple as it looks...and everyone (including the concours owners) enjoy it as it really doesn't hammer the car too much.. (heck...the on-ramps at home here are mini drag strips for me) LOL....
I'd rather see dyno and real ET slips from a real drag strip.That way it doesn't matter what dyno etc as the horsepower curves are different from supercharger to supercharger and also on strokers.See what they do in real world also not just sitting on the dyno.At the track it will tell the real story.Cars will spin too depending on hookup but would like to see also how they perform once out there from the 330 foot to 1320foot(1/4 mile) et and mph .Most cars should hookup by the 330 foot mark which almost all tracks show on the slip.Seeing the time from that point on would give a good indication on how any of the cars pull.No G-TECH or any other slap on device,real track with real timers.
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Never was a friend or a customer. I've got people waiting patiently (and some impatiently) for me to have time to work on their cars.....there's no point in working on something for someone that feels the need to be up in my face.
He had his used transmission that he bought from 928 International (and which I specifically told Mark Anderson had a worn out limited slip) installed by a guy down in Orange (a muffler shop) at Mark's suggestion. Mark knew I wouldn't quietly install something that was way, way "sub par" and suggested that this other shop do the work, because they would be "cheaper".
"Cheaper", in this case means: "Close your eyes and throw this used-up transmission into the car."
I'm so pissed that Mark Anderson would pull something like this, just to make a couple of dollars, that Mark and I have not talked.....in months! I talk to Tom, frequently.....but I've got nothing to say to Mark. That transmission sat at my shop, for months, while everyone knew it was completely "worn out". To sell it to an unsuspecting customer as a "good" used transmission, and recommend that it get installed at a sub par shop that wouldn't mention that is was worn out, is completely wrong, in my book.
Of course, now the thing needs another ring and pinion (also worn out and noisy) with a limited skip that actually works.....which is actually pretty silly for anyone to do.....because the automatic transmission section of the transmission is also going to be also worn out!
And because I'm virtually the only guy, in California, that has a clue about how to properly set-up a ring and pinion in an automatic transmission, much less rebuild and set-up the limited slip properly, he wants me to do it.
While he's up in my face?
Never going to happen......
He had his used transmission that he bought from 928 International (and which I specifically told Mark Anderson had a worn out limited slip) installed by a guy down in Orange (a muffler shop) at Mark's suggestion. Mark knew I wouldn't quietly install something that was way, way "sub par" and suggested that this other shop do the work, because they would be "cheaper".
"Cheaper", in this case means: "Close your eyes and throw this used-up transmission into the car."
I'm so pissed that Mark Anderson would pull something like this, just to make a couple of dollars, that Mark and I have not talked.....in months! I talk to Tom, frequently.....but I've got nothing to say to Mark. That transmission sat at my shop, for months, while everyone knew it was completely "worn out". To sell it to an unsuspecting customer as a "good" used transmission, and recommend that it get installed at a sub par shop that wouldn't mention that is was worn out, is completely wrong, in my book.
Of course, now the thing needs another ring and pinion (also worn out and noisy) with a limited skip that actually works.....which is actually pretty silly for anyone to do.....because the automatic transmission section of the transmission is also going to be also worn out!
And because I'm virtually the only guy, in California, that has a clue about how to properly set-up a ring and pinion in an automatic transmission, much less rebuild and set-up the limited slip properly, he wants me to do it.
While he's up in my face?
Never going to happen......
It has -other- issues NOT found via external analysis that were brought to Mark's attention, and he THREW himself at the problem. The only thing I paid for in the stack O warranty parts, was the new bolts and seals I wanted..I didnt even pay shipping for 80lbs of freight. And this is not one-off, its widely documented as Mark being a good guy.
But...the muffler shop guy...I hear used to work for a helluva 928 guy, and knows what he's doing, and last I checked had pretty good things to say about you Greg.
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Now..im not sure who's a big fan of slandering a well known and highly respected supporting vendor and owner-partner, but im not one of them.
And..I consider ANYONE I meet on RL a friend, but thanks for setting the record straight on where you place people you chat with on RL up front..so nobody has to wonder later.
Good luck on the transmissions you found, keep up on the weight loss (wish I could)..and well, carry on where life leads you.
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I will dyno once sorted out..right now chasing down some NBO2 issues while sharktuning that JimC has helped with, and we'll see what California's water-gas can turn out by Sfest.
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The more info you share about your system and "display" for all to see, the better off you will be...as you can see how this thread has developed otherwise. It can be a tough crowd.
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The LSD is fine. Once I realized how low the spec is, it tests perfectly fine.
No, it's really, really worn out. At the very bottom of the specification...on a good day. I personally tested it, here, and passed that information onto Mark, several times. Which is why it was here, for months and months, while he decided what to do with it.
It has -other- issues NOT found via external analysis that were brought to Mark's attention, and he THREW himself at the problem. The only thing I paid for in the stack O warranty parts, was the new bolts and seals I wanted..I didnt even pay shipping for 80lbs of freight. And this is not one-off, its widely documented as Mark being a good guy.
Maybe he just forgot that I told him five times that it was bad. Strange he won't talk to me about this entire "deal". Like I said, we haven't spoken since this happened, other than him sitting at his desk, smiling at me, while I ask him about it.....
But...the muffler shop guy...I hear used to work for a helluva 928 guy, and knows what he's doing, and last I checked had pretty good things to say about you Greg.
No doubt he has some skills and learned a ton, here. But he left here, after buying a muffler shop, and has zero of the special 928 tools required to work on these cars, is not registered with the Bureau of Automotive Repair to do mechanical repairs, and has no insurance to cover your car, if anything goes wrong.
Is the cheaper than me? You bet! Does he make more per hour working on your car than I can? You bet!
To do things correctly adds significant amounts of cost into the overhead!
If you work at a "legitimate" job and have to compete with people that aren't...you know exactly what this is about! But maybe you are a "shade tree" guy and like people that do stuff, this way!
If I go work under a tree and drop all of my insurance, I can can work that cheap too!
For some people "cheap" is more important than "right" or "correct".
Have fun, in Dreamland, with your 481rwhp car!
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Now..im not sure who's a big fan of slandering a well known and highly respected supporting vendor and owner-partner, but im not one of them.
Pretty tough word. I'm not even coming close to that. I'm just telling you why Mark Anderson and I are no longer talking. He's free to "chime" in and tell his side. He sure won't take the time to tell me, in person!
And..I consider ANYONE I meet on RL a friend, but thanks for setting the record straight on where you place people you chat with on RL up front..so nobody has to wonder later.
I do too, but to set the record straight, I do not consider people that feel the need to be "in my face" friends!
Good luck on the transmissions you found, keep up on the weight loss (wish I could)..and well, carry on where life leads you.
No, it's really, really worn out. At the very bottom of the specification...on a good day. I personally tested it, here, and passed that information onto Mark, several times. Which is why it was here, for months and months, while he decided what to do with it.
It has -other- issues NOT found via external analysis that were brought to Mark's attention, and he THREW himself at the problem. The only thing I paid for in the stack O warranty parts, was the new bolts and seals I wanted..I didnt even pay shipping for 80lbs of freight. And this is not one-off, its widely documented as Mark being a good guy.
Maybe he just forgot that I told him five times that it was bad. Strange he won't talk to me about this entire "deal". Like I said, we haven't spoken since this happened, other than him sitting at his desk, smiling at me, while I ask him about it.....
But...the muffler shop guy...I hear used to work for a helluva 928 guy, and knows what he's doing, and last I checked had pretty good things to say about you Greg.
No doubt he has some skills and learned a ton, here. But he left here, after buying a muffler shop, and has zero of the special 928 tools required to work on these cars, is not registered with the Bureau of Automotive Repair to do mechanical repairs, and has no insurance to cover your car, if anything goes wrong.
Is the cheaper than me? You bet! Does he make more per hour working on your car than I can? You bet!
To do things correctly adds significant amounts of cost into the overhead!
If you work at a "legitimate" job and have to compete with people that aren't...you know exactly what this is about! But maybe you are a "shade tree" guy and like people that do stuff, this way!
If I go work under a tree and drop all of my insurance, I can can work that cheap too!
For some people "cheap" is more important than "right" or "correct".
Have fun, in Dreamland, with your 481rwhp car!
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Now..im not sure who's a big fan of slandering a well known and highly respected supporting vendor and owner-partner, but im not one of them.
Pretty tough word. I'm not even coming close to that. I'm just telling you why Mark Anderson and I are no longer talking. He's free to "chime" in and tell his side. He sure won't take the time to tell me, in person!
And..I consider ANYONE I meet on RL a friend, but thanks for setting the record straight on where you place people you chat with on RL up front..so nobody has to wonder later.
I do too, but to set the record straight, I do not consider people that feel the need to be "in my face" friends!
Good luck on the transmissions you found, keep up on the weight loss (wish I could)..and well, carry on where life leads you.
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I love boost as much as the next guy, but my problem really stems from having been bitten a few times from "kits" from one of our venders which were not even close to being installable or functioning as advertised.
Our group has been bitten by MANY people, Threshie, Devek (in the end), the list goes on and on. I dont see how allowing mis-information is a positive thing.
It would be awesome if Victor were to revise his site to pull the information which didnt have enough information backing it up.
I do however applaud anyone who is willing to make anything for these cars, properly test them (prior to sale), and make a class product.
Our group has been bitten by MANY people, Threshie, Devek (in the end), the list goes on and on. I dont see how allowing mis-information is a positive thing.
It would be awesome if Victor were to revise his site to pull the information which didnt have enough information backing it up.
I do however applaud anyone who is willing to make anything for these cars, properly test them (prior to sale), and make a class product.
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As JimC observed, Victor is pretty straight up.
I..was at a distance until someone I trusted online got one..Sean..and then sure, lets do it.
And his work this coming week should help a lot.
I..was at a distance until someone I trusted online got one..Sean..and then sure, lets do it.
And his work this coming week should help a lot.
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And because people who have no mechanical ability or common sense need to believe that bull****, I'm the villian? I'm the one with the giant ego? I'm the one that is making claims that can't possibly be supported? I'm the one that is being inaccurate? I'm the one making crazy claims? I'm the one who isn't being 100% honest? I'm the one that needs you to beat on me?
F*@K!
Seriously. Think about what you are saying, here.
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Dang, I thought I would go do some work today and come back to this thread with everyone singing KUMBUYA. ( I have no idea how to spell that but I am sure the spelling police will be along shortly). I still can not figure out how the heck someone could look at all the information provided and say that Victor ever promised 480 at the wheels to your car. Just read the entire web site. He is promising about an average 130 hp increase in very large clear lettering. Some cars might be 100hp, some maybe 150hp. Maybe I should be pissed at my PO because he told me a 20 year old car has 320HP. lol If you like the kit call Victor and he will be more than straight with you. He is just that kind of guy and should be commended, and not attacked with political type attacks from some negative people.
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I would contend that a stock S-4 being driven correctly is more than capable of keeping up with traffic. Hold the pedal down for 14 seconds and you are going 100MPH plus. It will top out at about 170.
The blower gives you major torque at low RPM so yes you need only step on the gas to move around traffic. Does make me wonder what other drivers around you might be thinking as the red Porsche slices and dices through the traffic... but then again down shifting a stock S-4 a couple gears and blasting by at 6,000 RPM is not exactly subtle either
Real question is do you TELL people you have a blower ? and How often do you open up the hood ? Because if it is for your driving enjoyment alone, no need to talk about it. And Yes I have driven many high powered cars, even a GT2RS with 600 plus hp, fun !!
Even a stock S-4 if you drive it very much at it's maximum on the street you will either be arrested or dead.
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The blower gives you major torque at low RPM so yes you need only step on the gas to move around traffic. Does make me wonder what other drivers around you might be thinking as the red Porsche slices and dices through the traffic... but then again down shifting a stock S-4 a couple gears and blasting by at 6,000 RPM is not exactly subtle either
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Real question is do you TELL people you have a blower ? and How often do you open up the hood ? Because if it is for your driving enjoyment alone, no need to talk about it. And Yes I have driven many high powered cars, even a GT2RS with 600 plus hp, fun !!
Even a stock S-4 if you drive it very much at it's maximum on the street you will either be arrested or dead.
I have always thought blowers were neat since I saw a nearly new 1957 Studebaker Hawk with a factory Paxton supercharger
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It was an '87 S4 that we installed a Murf928 kit on recently. A lot of the results for the Murf928 kits that have been shown have been of automatic transmission equipped cars, but this one is a 5-speed. The car is all stock except for the supercharger kit installation and an "X" pipe in the exhaust.
These are the STD numbers, since that's what people seem to have started using pretty regularly on here. The SAE numbers were 10rwhp lower.
These are the STD numbers, since that's what people seem to have started using pretty regularly on here. The SAE numbers were 10rwhp lower.
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