Results from NASA GTS Series - Michigan
06-14-2012, 02:35 AM
#16
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Still wondering how many cars were in your race ? I guess I can wait till NASA posts the official results. But I will get an answer. Find it interesting that a spec 944 (stock motor) laps Gingerman long course at 1:49 yet you set a "record" for GTSU at 1:43. One would think 550 HP MORE would make a bigger difference. Frankly I think your post is very misleading, perhaps accurate and truthful but misleading.
The statement "There was a a nice blend of Porsche's, Audi's, and BMW's in my Division, " implies that you were RACING against them when if fact they were in lower classes of GTS and not in your race if in fact there was a race at all. Once again you may have " won" simply because no one else bothered to enter that class ! Or the record happened to be unusually low like Bonneville because of little participation.
When a 2001 GT3 with maybe 400 hp turns 138.941 in the GTS4 class doing a 1:43-1:44 in GTSU should be embaressing !
The statement "There was a a nice blend of Porsche's, Audi's, and BMW's in my Division, " implies that you were RACING against them when if fact they were in lower classes of GTS and not in your race if in fact there was a race at all. Once again you may have " won" simply because no one else bothered to enter that class ! Or the record happened to be unusually low like Bonneville because of little participation.
When a 2001 GT3 with maybe 400 hp turns 138.941 in the GTS4 class doing a 1:43-1:44 in GTSU should be embaressing !
I would LOVE to come out and help tune this car up for the track. with alll this power and reliabilty, it could be a dominant player and barely break a sweat!
06-14-2012, 03:54 AM
#17
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Still wondering how many cars were in your race ? I guess I can wait till NASA posts the official results. But I will get an answer. Find it interesting that a spec 944 (stock motor) laps Gingerman long course at 1:49 yet you set a "record" for GTSU at 1:43. One would think 550 HP MORE would make a bigger difference. Frankly I think your post is very misleading, perhaps accurate and truthful but misleading.
The statement "There was a a nice blend of Porsche's, Audi's, and BMW's in my Division, " implies that you were RACING against them when if fact they were in lower classes of GTS and not in your race if in fact there was a race at all. Once again you may have " won" simply because no one else bothered to enter that class ! Or the record happened to be unusually low like Bonneville because of little participation.
When a 2001 GT3 with maybe 400 hp turns 138.941 in the GTS4 class doing a 1:43-1:44 in GTSU should be embaressing !
The statement "There was a a nice blend of Porsche's, Audi's, and BMW's in my Division, " implies that you were RACING against them when if fact they were in lower classes of GTS and not in your race if in fact there was a race at all. Once again you may have " won" simply because no one else bothered to enter that class ! Or the record happened to be unusually low like Bonneville because of little participation.
When a 2001 GT3 with maybe 400 hp turns 138.941 in the GTS4 class doing a 1:43-1:44 in GTSU should be embaressing !
Personally, I don't care if Carl was racing against the field at F1 or a bunch of grannies pushing grocery carts, if a 928 podiums it's all good. If a 928 sets a track record, even better. Not sure what the reason is for all the animosity Brutus, but how about retiring the "race results police"- routine. All you're doing is making yourself look bitter.
06-14-2012, 04:52 AM
#18
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http://www.nasamidwest.com/results/?...(Long%20Course)
Here is the "old" track records list for Gingerman long course, it still lists the previous GTSU record holder's lap record.....not Carl's....
Here is the "old" track records list for Gingerman long course, it still lists the previous GTSU record holder's lap record.....not Carl's....
06-14-2012, 08:57 AM
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http://www.nasamidwest.com/results/?...(Long%20Course)
Here is the "old" track records list for Gingerman long course, it still lists the previous GTSU record holder's lap record.....not Carl's....
Here is the "old" track records list for Gingerman long course, it still lists the previous GTSU record holder's lap record.....not Carl's....
http://www.nasamidwest.com/results/
I'm not sure how up to date the lap record page is since one of my drivers, Geff Sawtelle, has multiple lap records with his Corvette in ST2 and I don't think the one listed for Gingerman Long is accurate......not to be confused with his TTS record (same car in Time Trials).
06-14-2012, 05:49 PM
#21
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just take spec miata (SM) and subtract time from them, because they are the same everywhere.
1:50s are the same at laguna seca too! (long track at gingerman vs Laguna seca)
1:50s are the same at laguna seca too! (long track at gingerman vs Laguna seca)
06-14-2012, 08:28 PM
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This last weekend we were in South Haven Michigan for the NASA German Touring Sedan races.
The weather was perfect all weekend, but it slowly climbed into the mid-90's by Sunday. In-car temps got pretty fierce on the longer races.
There were three GTS races this weekend, one on Saturday and two on Sunday.
There was a a nice blend of Porsche's, Audi's, and BMW's in my Division, and they had some big American Iron running on track at the same time too just to spice things up.
There was a pair of really fast race-prepped Dodge Vipers on hand and I never missed a chance to run with those guys as long as I could. They knew the lines at this track and helped me get up to speed quickly.
I had a problem with the tires going "off" after the 5th lap, and it made the 928 a handful in corner entry and mid-corner. Still, I was fast enough to set a new GTSU track record on Saturday and take first place in the Unlimited class.
We softened the rear sway bar settings throughout the weekend, and it got better. When Sunday came around, we had the suspension tuned to a better balance, and I won that race as well, and set another new track record, breaking the one I set on Saturday by .8 secs.
The floorboard under the accelerator got so hot in the longer races that it melted the sole of my shoe and burned my heel a little bit. I was holding my right foot in the air because it hurt to set it down! We'll be insulating that floor board now...
Here are a few pics (attached).
More and larger pics are here: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?s...3156459&type=1
The weather was perfect all weekend, but it slowly climbed into the mid-90's by Sunday. In-car temps got pretty fierce on the longer races.
There were three GTS races this weekend, one on Saturday and two on Sunday.
There was a a nice blend of Porsche's, Audi's, and BMW's in my Division, and they had some big American Iron running on track at the same time too just to spice things up.
There was a pair of really fast race-prepped Dodge Vipers on hand and I never missed a chance to run with those guys as long as I could. They knew the lines at this track and helped me get up to speed quickly.
I had a problem with the tires going "off" after the 5th lap, and it made the 928 a handful in corner entry and mid-corner. Still, I was fast enough to set a new GTSU track record on Saturday and take first place in the Unlimited class.
We softened the rear sway bar settings throughout the weekend, and it got better. When Sunday came around, we had the suspension tuned to a better balance, and I won that race as well, and set another new track record, breaking the one I set on Saturday by .8 secs.
The floorboard under the accelerator got so hot in the longer races that it melted the sole of my shoe and burned my heel a little bit. I was holding my right foot in the air because it hurt to set it down! We'll be insulating that floor board now...
Here are a few pics (attached).
More and larger pics are here: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?s...3156459&type=1
Heres a screen print after using the drop boxes of the class German touring unlimited.
As Carl mentioned the class is:
German touring unlimited.
Here is a screen print of the different classes and you can see the old record of "German touring unlimited".
1:46.237
The 1:43.710 probably will be broken again with more changes to the car and less heat on those boots!
Last edited by inactiveuser1; 10-06-2013 at 10:26 PM.
06-15-2012, 02:44 AM
#23
One interersting aspect of the GTS division is if you show up without a current dyno sheet they can not place you in GTS1, GTS2,GTS3, GTS4,Or GTS5 so if you wish to run that weekend you get pushed all the way up to GTSU . The prior GTSU record was set by Kevin Lehmann driving a 1979 911 SC with a 3.2 liter normally aspirated engine which he usually runs it in GTS3, a relatively low powered car. Typical GTS3 911 is around 250 RWHP and 2,800 lbs .There is video of some of his laps at another track and he was THRILLED when he actually passed three BMWs and did not get lapped by all the other GTS3 cars.
So yes one should expect that the new record will probably get broken.
So yes one should expect that the new record will probably get broken.
06-15-2012, 03:05 AM
#24
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Because of the HP and the known entity of the 928, it should be mid 1:30s if spec miatas are running 1:50s. (or GTS 4-5 are running 1:38s) I could pretty much gurantee this with a day with this car and some set up changes, especially on some decent tires.
06-15-2012, 03:24 AM
#25
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It would be interesting to compare telemetry and engine data between Anderson, Kibort, and Fausett in the 928MS Racer. (or any 928 for that matter). When Mark A. comes out to race your car Carl, get that data logged.
06-15-2012, 09:57 AM
#26
Drifting
hacker,
dont you drive or do you own race cars and let others drive them for you?
http://www.nasamidwest.com/results/
I'm not sure how up to date the lap record page is since one of my drivers, Geff Sawtelle, has multiple lap records with his Corvette in ST2 and I don't think the one listed for Gingerman Long is accurate......not to be confused with his TTS record (same car in Time Trials).
dont you drive or do you own race cars and let others drive them for you?
http://www.nasamidwest.com/results/
I'm not sure how up to date the lap record page is since one of my drivers, Geff Sawtelle, has multiple lap records with his Corvette in ST2 and I don't think the one listed for Gingerman Long is accurate......not to be confused with his TTS record (same car in Time Trials).
06-15-2012, 10:38 AM
#27
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Brutus: there were 41 cars in the field on Saturday, 38 on Sunday. I was the only car in GTS-U. Thats why the 1st place trophies, although nice, don't mean that much to me. (I hope you notice I didn't even mention them). They pretty much mean I started and I finished the race. My sponsors like to see that, but that's about it.
The track records for GTSU do mean a lot to me though.
On Saturday, they gridded me in about 8th position, by Sunday they had moved me up to where I was gridded in the #3 slot at the start of the race. I have video I am working on now that will show you the start of both races. I'll post when the video is ready.
There aren't a lot of cars in Unlimited - it may go like this all season, I don't know. I've been hoping to see another GTSU car at these events. Still, if they don't show up, I cant make them.
I've watched Mark Anderson's video's and he drives like I should. He is much more aggressive than I. I'm trying to test parts and components, and get the car back on the trailer in one piece so I don't miss Bonneville this year. Mark is one of the best drivers in traffic that I've seen.
The track records for GTSU do mean a lot to me though.
On Saturday, they gridded me in about 8th position, by Sunday they had moved me up to where I was gridded in the #3 slot at the start of the race. I have video I am working on now that will show you the start of both races. I'll post when the video is ready.
There aren't a lot of cars in Unlimited - it may go like this all season, I don't know. I've been hoping to see another GTSU car at these events. Still, if they don't show up, I cant make them.
I've watched Mark Anderson's video's and he drives like I should. He is much more aggressive than I. I'm trying to test parts and components, and get the car back on the trailer in one piece so I don't miss Bonneville this year. Mark is one of the best drivers in traffic that I've seen.
Last edited by Carl Fausett; 06-15-2012 at 02:29 PM.
06-15-2012, 11:09 AM
#28
Thank you for the clarification. Does show how two equally truthful statements can convey a somewhat different picture of the same event. No one can deny that you are running one of the few track 928s and doing somethings no one else has ever done with one. I admire your drive and dedication.
06-16-2012, 02:38 PM
#30
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Congrats Carl. That car does represent, whether its Pikes Peak or a circle track in Wisconsin, and its a great thing.
Please let us know schedules prior to running. Am in Northern Indiana now and would have made the trip to GingerMan to see that awesome car on the track.
Please let us know schedules prior to running. Am in Northern Indiana now and would have made the trip to GingerMan to see that awesome car on the track.