Buy a respray - yes, no, maybe?
#16
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i would hae no problem buying a respray, if it looks good...
I don't get the " don't buy it because it's been repainted" mindset.
we are not buying collector cars for 6 figures.... hell most of the high end collector cars have been repainted also...
i want a car that looks good, respray or not.
I don't get the " don't buy it because it's been repainted" mindset.
we are not buying collector cars for 6 figures.... hell most of the high end collector cars have been repainted also...
i want a car that looks good, respray or not.
#17
Nordschleife Master
i would hae no problem buying a respray, if it looks good...
I don't get the " don't buy it because it's been repainted" mindset.
we are not buying collector cars for 6 figures.... hell most of the high end collector cars have been repainted also...
i want a car that looks good, respray or not.
I don't get the " don't buy it because it's been repainted" mindset.
we are not buying collector cars for 6 figures.... hell most of the high end collector cars have been repainted also...
i want a car that looks good, respray or not.
#18
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i read it in post here all the time....
lots of negative attitudes towards resprays.
i can see that if poorly done, but seems that a lot of people here are quick to bash a respray.
lots of negative attitudes towards resprays.
i can see that if poorly done, but seems that a lot of people here are quick to bash a respray.
#20
Nordschleife Master
Sounds like the seller is straight up with the issues. All of which seem pretty easy to fix.
#21
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Depends.
Here's one mistake. I passed on an 88 painted white over some minor but bad, old cracking front fender repairs. Car was originally platinum. Had a bad computer. Looked great inside, unmolested otherwise. Sold sub-$1500. The new owner had it running in 2 weeks. Would have been a superb commuter car for me.
This one is $10,000 with nice color, but with the color clashes with a worn brown interior. Not my idea of a good buy.
Here's one mistake. I passed on an 88 painted white over some minor but bad, old cracking front fender repairs. Car was originally platinum. Had a bad computer. Looked great inside, unmolested otherwise. Sold sub-$1500. The new owner had it running in 2 weeks. Would have been a superb commuter car for me.
This one is $10,000 with nice color, but with the color clashes with a worn brown interior. Not my idea of a good buy.
#22
Nordschleife Master
Problems I see are that paint issues can take time so show up, and generally seem to always show up with a respray. Respray can also hide damage.
Recent respray, new tires, and just needs a tuneup and AC recharge, what could be worse? Maybe needs fuel pump relay replaced, then ready to drive anywhere.
Its just not that hard to find decent original paint.
#23
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Personally I have lusted after a nice blue S4 for decades. There pretty much none in the US. May be some blueish silver, and some midnight blue (which looks mostly black), but no nice bright blue cars. So, if blue is what you want, it is probably a respray you will need. Much better to buy one that has had it done than do it yourself, as it will cost big $ and lower the value of the car.
#24
I would disagree with that on a 928. The clear coats from this era do not stand up very well and many have peeled or are worn out. Unless the car was a garage queen its whole life not a chance the original paint is decent after 20+ years.
I do agree that many of these cars do get poor resprays and that is a shame. Too many body shops out there that don't do things right and owners that are cheap.
I do agree that many of these cars do get poor resprays and that is a shame. Too many body shops out there that don't do things right and owners that are cheap.
#25
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I think that if this car had not been repainted with a different color, but that it needed a repaint, it would likely be worth about $7000 to $9000 in the current market. If one were to buy if in that range and decided to have it repainted, for $4000 this paint job is most likely what you would end up with assuming you don't know much about repainting a Porsche, or any other car. However it is probably only a step or so above what you might get Earl or Maaco.
This car appears to have the black trim between the bumper covers painted blue and, based on what the seller says about the sunroof, I suspect the felt around it is also painted. That may also be part of the reason he hasn't opened it since it was painted. And, I suspect you would also be living with a little overspray like on the end of the dash next to the right front door jam.
That being said, the car is relisted, which I'm sure most of you have seen, and if I were looking for an S4 for a daily driver, I would be interested in this one for about $7500 to $8000. I wouldn't count much on the resale value and would think of it pretty much as a throw-away after I had put about 100,000miles on it to and from work and occasional excursions to the 928 meets and such. I would do the usual mechanical things to it and just drive it. It looks pretty nice for what it is, so the respray just doesn't make much difference, to me.
I would send the seller an email and offer him $7500 for it if he takes it off the market for that. All of that assumes that I would be close enough to make going over to get it less expensive than dealing with it across the country. Whatever risk you might otherwise run is the same as it would be without the repaint.
Just my personal opinion.
Jerry Feather
This car appears to have the black trim between the bumper covers painted blue and, based on what the seller says about the sunroof, I suspect the felt around it is also painted. That may also be part of the reason he hasn't opened it since it was painted. And, I suspect you would also be living with a little overspray like on the end of the dash next to the right front door jam.
That being said, the car is relisted, which I'm sure most of you have seen, and if I were looking for an S4 for a daily driver, I would be interested in this one for about $7500 to $8000. I wouldn't count much on the resale value and would think of it pretty much as a throw-away after I had put about 100,000miles on it to and from work and occasional excursions to the 928 meets and such. I would do the usual mechanical things to it and just drive it. It looks pretty nice for what it is, so the respray just doesn't make much difference, to me.
I would send the seller an email and offer him $7500 for it if he takes it off the market for that. All of that assumes that I would be close enough to make going over to get it less expensive than dealing with it across the country. Whatever risk you might otherwise run is the same as it would be without the repaint.
Just my personal opinion.
Jerry Feather
#28
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Thread Starter
I saw the car, and as much as I loved the color, the paintwork was not what I would want out of a paint job. Seller is a very nice guy with a bunch of very interesting cars that are presentable, driveable "15 footers." Honest guy, IMHO. Car drives very well but a few things that are not needed to get the car down the road are not working. I also found a split outer cv boot I think he did not know was gone.
I would feel a compulsion to put everything right. This would add up in time and money pretty quick.
Part of my education as a buyer.
I would feel a compulsion to put everything right. This would add up in time and money pretty quick.
Part of my education as a buyer.
#29
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Overall I have seen worse paint jobs. Yes the bumper beading appears to be painted but for some this is a choice. Masking it off is not much of a task. I noticed the detailing around the doors and under the hood to be pretty good. Changing a color on an 928 is a fairly involved job due to the complex way the car was originally painted. The only real way to do it is to take most of the car apart.
There is bigger issue with a repaint. The clear coat on the 928 is not very good. it rots over time. You can see this in little bubbles or crazing on the surface. These are impossible to buff out. Even after the car is painted chemically the old clear coat will continue to deteriorate. Don't ask me how I know this. What will happen over time is as the clear coat of the old paint job crumbles it will cause the paint on top to bubble and eventually peel. The only defense is to completely remove the original clear coat before the new paint is done.
Also be aware cars often get repainted after having an accident. Missing under panels can be indicative of some damage. That is not much of a worry if the repairs were done right. You will have a very hard time finding a 928 with this much mileage that has not had several body repairs. I figure a mean time between accidents on a 928 at about 50K miles.
A minor issue becomes how the car was painted. The bumpers should be painted separately. The plastic needs to have a flex agent in each coat so the paint will not crack. Since the bumper beading appears to be painted the same color as the car it suggests that maybe the bumpers were painted on the car. I would look for some small cracks in the bumpers from such stress.
Good luck with this car. At the right price it would make a great daily driver. Get some good use out of it and then at some point go for a restoration. Personally I would not go much over $6500.
Good luck
There is bigger issue with a repaint. The clear coat on the 928 is not very good. it rots over time. You can see this in little bubbles or crazing on the surface. These are impossible to buff out. Even after the car is painted chemically the old clear coat will continue to deteriorate. Don't ask me how I know this. What will happen over time is as the clear coat of the old paint job crumbles it will cause the paint on top to bubble and eventually peel. The only defense is to completely remove the original clear coat before the new paint is done.
Also be aware cars often get repainted after having an accident. Missing under panels can be indicative of some damage. That is not much of a worry if the repairs were done right. You will have a very hard time finding a 928 with this much mileage that has not had several body repairs. I figure a mean time between accidents on a 928 at about 50K miles.
A minor issue becomes how the car was painted. The bumpers should be painted separately. The plastic needs to have a flex agent in each coat so the paint will not crack. Since the bumper beading appears to be painted the same color as the car it suggests that maybe the bumpers were painted on the car. I would look for some small cracks in the bumpers from such stress.
Good luck with this car. At the right price it would make a great daily driver. Get some good use out of it and then at some point go for a restoration. Personally I would not go much over $6500.
Good luck