1993 GTS 5 speed with "hurt" stroker engine for sale
12-06-2011, 03:10 AM
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Is that for all 928 engines?
Or just for s select few?
If it is for all, then I have to question the quality of the factory Porsche rods.
Hell that would mean that every time you replaced the rod bearings you would need new rods.
What was Porsche's train of thought on this Greg?
Any idea?
Or just for s select few?
If it is for all, then I have to question the quality of the factory Porsche rods.
Hell that would mean that every time you replaced the rod bearings you would need new rods.
What was Porsche's train of thought on this Greg?
Any idea?
It's a very scary statement that they made. Knowing what I know about the legal system regarding automotive repair, I'd guess that if a shop reused a set of these rods in a rebuilt engine and the engine ever failed from one of these rods breaking....that shop would need to pay for a new engine....unless the owner signed a document releasing the shop from liability when re-using the "weak" rod.
12-06-2011, 03:27 AM
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Greg, check the verbiage after the 'Important' in bold, middle of the page. Very strange.
12-06-2011, 03:29 AM
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The guy that built this engine claimed/still claims to be the greatest 928 engine builder in the history of the car. He always talked about how careful and how much time he spent when he was assembling an engine.
To not clean the intake manifold on one engine could be a terrible mistake. Not cleaning the intake on two engines would be.....way worse than a terrible mistake.
BTW....I've not gone into the details of this engine....way too much stuff to even begin to talk about and none of the little details really matter, when there is silicon in the intake manifold. However, there was no key in the oil pump shaft, on this engine. Didn't really hurt anything. The nut was tight and had Loctite on it...so I guess they key wasn't really needed!
I'll have to keep this idea in mind, when I'm think of ways to save weight.
12-06-2011, 03:32 AM
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I've always assumed that this translated poorly from German to English.
I think in French, this must translate as: "We screwed up, but only bad enough to have the owner pay for the repair, not us."
12-06-2011, 11:38 AM
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Ok, we are just talking about the early 5.4 GTS rods.
Apparently Porsche saw a bunch of failures on the "early" GTS rods and make this "supercession".
It's a very scary statement that they made. Knowing what I know about the legal system regarding automotive repair, I'd guess that if a shop reused a set of these rods in a rebuilt engine and the engine ever failed from one of these rods breaking....that shop would need to pay for a new engine....unless the owner signed a document releasing the shop from liability when re-using the "weak" rod.
It's a very scary statement that they made. Knowing what I know about the legal system regarding automotive repair, I'd guess that if a shop reused a set of these rods in a rebuilt engine and the engine ever failed from one of these rods breaking....that shop would need to pay for a new engine....unless the owner signed a document releasing the shop from liability when re-using the "weak" rod.
12-06-2011, 12:01 PM
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So based on what I learned in another deleted thread about camshaft sprockets.
"However, there was no key in the oil pump shaft, on this engine. Didn't really hurt anything. The nut was tight and had Loctite on it...so I guess they key wasn't really needed!
I'll have to keep this idea in mind, when I'm think of ways to save weight. "
Omitting the key WOULD allow the engine to rev easier and reduce the load on the timing belt. That is is immeasurable and insignificant is just a minor detail.
"However, there was no key in the oil pump shaft, on this engine. Didn't really hurt anything. The nut was tight and had Loctite on it...so I guess they key wasn't really needed!
I'll have to keep this idea in mind, when I'm think of ways to save weight. "
Omitting the key WOULD allow the engine to rev easier and reduce the load on the timing belt. That is is immeasurable and insignificant is just a minor detail.
12-06-2011, 12:25 PM
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I've been working on Porsches my entire life. I've got every "technical" book that Porsche ever wrote. When Porsche writes "All of the connecting rods must be replaced if more than two of the rod nuts are loosened"....they didn't do that because they had run out of things to say.
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12-06-2011, 01:59 PM
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12-06-2011, 01:59 PM
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12-06-2011, 02:01 PM
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So based on what I learned in another deleted thread about camshaft sprockets.
"However, there was no key in the oil pump shaft, on this engine. Didn't really hurt anything. The nut was tight and had Loctite on it...so I guess they key wasn't really needed!
I'll have to keep this idea in mind, when I'm think of ways to save weight. "
Omitting the key WOULD allow the engine to rev easier and reduce the load on the timing belt. That is is immeasurable and insignificant is just a minor detail.
"However, there was no key in the oil pump shaft, on this engine. Didn't really hurt anything. The nut was tight and had Loctite on it...so I guess they key wasn't really needed!
I'll have to keep this idea in mind, when I'm think of ways to save weight. "
Omitting the key WOULD allow the engine to rev easier and reduce the load on the timing belt. That is is immeasurable and insignificant is just a minor detail.
12-06-2011, 02:29 PM
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Here's the "non-stroker" to this car/engine deal. The negative people aren't thinking this through.
Buy a used S-4 engine. Install all the virtually brand new water pump, timing belt, timing gears, knock sensor, injection pieces, from this engine. Wash the intake and install the beautiful valve covers and intake system. Install the GT Cams. All this stuff is virtually brand new! Find a stock exhaust system.
Presto...you have an engine that has almost the power of the GTS without the oil burning issues/weak connecting rods that a GTS had.....the original engine isn't there, anyway! It's never going to be a matching numbers garage queen, regardless of what engine you put in it! Ready to go into the car for less than 10K...even if you are paying someone to do the work.
Sell the stroker pieces, Devek exhaust, etc. Probably easy to sell this really "dated technology" for $7.5K. It will build an engine...just not a great engine...someone wants the stuff. Hell, Jerry Feather thinks this stuff is "state of the art".
You still have a really cheap, really nice, low mileage GTS 5 speed to drive.
A 356 SC with a "normal" engine in it is still worth a fortune, today!
Buy a used S-4 engine. Install all the virtually brand new water pump, timing belt, timing gears, knock sensor, injection pieces, from this engine. Wash the intake and install the beautiful valve covers and intake system. Install the GT Cams. All this stuff is virtually brand new! Find a stock exhaust system.
Presto...you have an engine that has almost the power of the GTS without the oil burning issues/weak connecting rods that a GTS had.....the original engine isn't there, anyway! It's never going to be a matching numbers garage queen, regardless of what engine you put in it! Ready to go into the car for less than 10K...even if you are paying someone to do the work.
Sell the stroker pieces, Devek exhaust, etc. Probably easy to sell this really "dated technology" for $7.5K. It will build an engine...just not a great engine...someone wants the stuff. Hell, Jerry Feather thinks this stuff is "state of the art".
You still have a really cheap, really nice, low mileage GTS 5 speed to drive.
A 356 SC with a "normal" engine in it is still worth a fortune, today!
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12-06-2011, 02:43 PM
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A GTS with out a GTS 5.4 liter is not a GTS in my book.. but I'm particular in that way......
not saying it wouldn't be a nice 928....I'd put it on par with a S4 that has added GTS flares etc..
... Perhaps it should be called a GTS *.... with a foot note detailing the mods LOL...
not saying it wouldn't be a nice 928....I'd put it on par with a S4 that has added GTS flares etc..
... Perhaps it should be called a GTS *.... with a foot note detailing the mods LOL...
12-06-2011, 02:58 PM
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A GTS with out a GTS 5.4 liter is not a GTS in my book.. but I'm particular in that way......
not saying it wouldn't be a nice 928....I'd put it on par with a S4 that has added GTS flares etc..... Perhaps it should be called a GTS *.... with a foot note detailing the mods LOL...
not saying it wouldn't be a nice 928....I'd put it on par with a S4 that has added GTS flares etc..
... Perhaps it should be called a GTS *.... with a foot note detailing the mods LOL...By that logic, a 914-6 with a 2.5 liter (or bigger) engine is no longer a 914-6.