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Old 10-20-2011, 06:33 PM
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Hello all,
New here and will attempt to embark on TB/WP some rollers etc. Engine started tooverheat on the highway. I was cruising in 4th gear at 3,000 RPM. So started to pull over and BOOM. No power, it instantly dropped off and I rolled onto the grass with hazards on. Tried to start but nothing. Had the free spining feeling like all spark plug was out of the cylinders. Attempting to upload the gruesome pics.
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Old 10-20-2011, 06:39 PM
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If these pictures are an indication of the PO maintenance your going to be in for a lot more work.
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Holy smokes!
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Huh ... Are TB's really that narrow...surprised that TB just didn't snap...
Old 10-20-2011, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Herman K
If these pictures are an indication of the PO maintenance your going to be in for a lot more work.
It's a 83, we US16V guys don't have to freak out about stuff like this. I think that belt is right at the beginning of the wear indicator.
Old 10-20-2011, 07:55 PM
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Yes, wear indication +1, time to send out an §Ȫ§
Old 10-20-2011, 08:02 PM
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I envy you. I don't sleep much at night anymore knowing that my S4 is due for a timing belt service once I save up for the parts to do DIY. You 16-valve guys can just put a new belt on and go, albeit you have a US car and not an ROW.
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Originally Posted by risaac928
Huh ... Are TB's really that narrow...surprised that TB just didn't snap...
That's just the back strand holding on for dear life.

Originally Posted by robot808
It's a 83, we US16V guys don't have to freak out about stuff like this. I think that belt is right at the beginning of the wear indicator.
LMAO!! Your killing me..
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Yes, wear indication +1, time to send out an §Ȫ§
Yeah I need some guidance. I performed a TB/WP on my audi A6 6Spd 2001 model about 5 yrs ago and that was a new experience.
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This is the car version of 'death is nature's way of telling you to slow down'.
Good luck. Lots of new parts coming your way. Follow the Pirtle or Dwayne belt change process, with small mods for the 16v vs 32v differences - worked for me as a newbie.
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How do I know the cams are aligned before I place the belt back on and how do I move them? The right side ( pass side ) Has no marking that I can see yet. I will disassemble this Saturday. Unfortunately I don't have the manual. Awaiting the CD versions delivery.
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Just retension the belt and keep driving - what's a few parts between friends 8>).

As already mentioned read John Pirtle's TB write up and you will be 90% there.

Need parts give me a call - I have a few.

New belt and cam gears are certainly in your future.
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There will be nicks on the back of the cam wheels, and there are cast markers on the rear of the belt housing - in fact in your fist pic there is what looks like some white paint on the front face of the gear - if the rear face has a V cut in it opposite that white, thats the marker. Also on the casing of the dizzy, inside the area covered by the belt cover, there is a lug that is a bit left of the white mark, IIRC thats the marker. There is a similar marker on the other cam wheel area......its early days yet. Dont dissassemble ANYTHING until you know what and where everything is, and you have a plan in place, and start building a list of parts needed - this will grow as you dig into it.
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I would venture a guess that the water pump has seized change out the coolant while in there
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Yes I think you venture would be correct. The chain of events leads me to believe that as well. The sudden rise in temp, the oily smell of something burning and then lose of power. I think I heard a belt squiling as well. This is my 1st 928 so I will be baptised. I am mechanically inclined with guidance. I have been searching fo rthe TB/WP right ups mentioned earlier in my post but have no luck locating it. Any clearer diection to them so I can print out the directions? Thanks in advance.

Side note. How do I add the pic of my car under my name as well as the other cars I have?
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Originally Posted by jpitman2
There will be nicks on the back of the cam wheels, and there are cast markers on the rear of the belt housing - in fact in your fist pic there is what looks like some white paint on the front face of the gear - if the rear face has a V cut in it opposite that white, thats the marker. Also on the casing of the dizzy, inside the area covered by the belt cover, there is a lug that is a bit left of the white mark, IIRC thats the marker. There is a similar marker on the other cam wheel area......its early days yet. Dont dissassemble ANYTHING until you know what and where everything is, and you have a plan in place, and start building a list of parts needed - this will grow as you dig into it.
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So are you saying that white mark would not be my reference point that I align? I have purchased the tensoin toll from 928 int, awaiting arrival, I have a convatec belt and roller. Awaiting a new water pump and all accessory belts. That's it for now. How hard are cam seals to change. I saw some oil on the sprockets and don't know where it cam from until I dig in there.


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