Abby Normal

This beautiful 928S4 arrived to our dealership on Tuesday. Carl did a helluva job making this a very nice example of how a driven 928 should look and run!

I promise that it has gone to a very good home. The new 'keeper' is a long time Porsche guy and has owned a 928 S4 in the past. It will never be neglected or unloved.

I'm glad it worked out for both parties and it's really nice having another nice 928 hanging around the Big Easy!

It was great getting to know Carl and I wish you all of the best in your next racing venture!

Ispeed

It means a lot to me that you like it Abby. I'm glad the new owner is happy and enjoying the car.

Abby Normal

Everyone here at the dealership likes it and can't believe the miles compared to the condition.

You represented the 928 world proudly my friend!

BRB-83-911SC

Carl - I am sad to see your car go. I hope you will be no stranger to the local 928 community. If you need a wrenching fix, let me know.
https://rennlist.com/forums/showthre...ferrerid=34007
Best of luck.

AO

Oh Carl...

worf928

You would be hard-pressed to find an 87 in better overall condition regardless of the mileage. The list of things not replaced or refurbished on that car in the last 5 or so years is very short. The new owner got a screamin' good deal despite what he paid for the car relative to other '87s. You couldn't take the average '87 5-speed and build it up to be the equal of ex-Carl's for less than $25k over the purchase price.

928mac

Carl I wish you the best.
I was there 2 and a half years ago and it is still not easy, but, that is when I bought my 928.

Keep your best friend close as they will help guild you when its hard to think.
As soon as you can, take a holiday to go visit old school chums and family.

Brad

Abby Normal

That is exactly what I told the buyer. He liked the 'turn key' factor rather than us getting a car needing all of the normal stuff..

Jadz928

I can't argue the "screamin' deal" aspect of this transaction. Carl's car (as it will continue to be known to me), is an exceptional car despite it mileage.
His car is and they way he took car of it is a level to which I continue to aspire with my S4.
Your last statement I could argue, because I've done it with Perl. Well not by much, but all in.

That's right. And there are more of this type of buyer out there! The real trick as can they keep the car up to this level as time goes on?

worf928

Let's

I just went through your build thread and let me write two things: 1) Perl really is gorgeous and in super-good shape due to your restoration work and 2) I'm not "arguing" - mainly, I'm hoping that both your Perl and Carl's "Stig" will be used as examples when folks want to know the difference between a 928 they find on Craig's list and a 928 that is offered as turn-key.

That written, and unless I missed 'em, I think you're missing the following things on Perl:
* Never-to-be-reproduced-unless-you-own-the-company intake/CC power coating
* LH rebuild
* 18" Forged Wheels with 265s on all corners
* Hypercoil suspension with "Leguia"-valved Bilsteins
* GTS Brakes
* Aluminum Radiator
* New lower ball joints and new upper a-arm bushings
* All-new HVAC vacuum actuators

Otherwise everything you've done to Perl has been done to Stig. The main differences are you've cleaned and painted more bits underneath and you got GB hoses whereas we had to do with OEM.

Last, consider how much it would cost to buy a run-of-the-mill 928 and pay someone to do what you've done yourself? $25k would be what? Half of what it would cost if labor was included?

Ispeed

I want to thank Dave C. (Worf928) again for all the hours he has worked on my 928 (somewhere between 120 and 200 hours), as he has been the reason that I have had a great running 928 all these years. Dave has been the best friend that I have ever had, and I hope that someday I will have repaid him for all that he's done for me. He is in a class all by himself.

I have had the BEST 928 times; 8 trips to SITM, 6 to Frenzy, and all the road trips and car shows in between. I have spent endless bonding time with the car, either with a wrench in hand, or at speed. I have been the local ringleader of all things 9-2-8, been point man for Rick on all our trips to SITM, and part host for the Boston shark party every fall.
I will miss the 928 every day, and there is nothing that can fill its shoes. A 928 is a way of life, a lifestyle, an obsession, a hobby, and a belief system.
I will miss all the people and personalities of this group as I fade into this suburban landscape of swim lessons and play dates.

I may do SITM on my old motorcycle (RC51) in '12; that would be a road trip. 1900 miles on a sport bike... I will need to move in with my chiropractor after that.

JPTL

The separation anxiety isn't setting in already, is it Carl?

Have a great Christmas, you guys!

Jadz928

Well since this thread, I would imagine, will soon hear it's death knell...
I figure, why the heck not have a mycarisbetterthanyourcar-off... just to keep things interesting.
Let me preface by saying there really no comparison to Carl's car. But for the sake of fun and argument... and the fact I cannot turn down a challenge, let's .

So for starters, I was fortunate the PO did some things to the car, to include:
- LH replacement
- HVAC actuators (all of them)
- LBJ's and tie rods,
- Front brakes/rotors
- Intake & cam cover R&R (injector seals, gaskets, etc) ...not done to a level to which we've come to expect, but acceptable in the near-term none-the-less.
- Windshield wipers

I don't have an aluminum radiator, but the OE is in good working order.

Cam cover R&R is on the winter list, to include p-coat wrinkle black.

The 3 mains things letting down Perl would be:
- Valve cover gasket leak in the rear corners
-Upper control arms (not bad, but soon)
- Slight (very slight) marble rattle in the TT

My intent when I set out to restore it was to get the car to a high level of reliability and drivability, in a manner similar to how the factory intented... or better in some cases.
Much of that applies to how Carl approached his car, and where we diverged is to the level which we took it. Carl went for performance/track, I went more street/stock.
Where he used custom-valved Bilsteins, I used adjustable Konis on M440 springs. I set them soft for highway cruising with the wifey, and firm them up for a trip to SITM.
Where he went ultra-lightweight wheels and wide contact patch, I went stockish CIII's and forgiving 40 aspect sidewalls.
Now, I would never argue Carl's car handles ridiculously well... It's not for the faint of heart. It is forgiving, but barely... where mine is a touch gentler.

I have to go get another beer.... (Bell's IPA)

I really likes Carl's sport seats. The mid-eighties Recaro sports are classic. Matter of fact, I had a set in my first 928. However, I prefer the 12-way lumbar for long-distance driving. They're fabulous! If I had my pick, I would take a set of each. But when he went the the 5-point sport buckets, he just lost me. I sat in them. Sorry Carl, just not for me.

The driver point of view is very important to both of us. We just went different ways on some things.
I decided to keep it more 'stockish' w/the 930 wheel, custom Pasha door inserts and shift gaiter, leather pod. Took it a little further with LED lighting and analog clock. Cupholder for ease of use, and fire ext. for safety.
Carl went with a sporty Momo, GTS shifter.. and that about it. Otherwise, very stock. Well, and the seats... but lets not go there again. Altogether very nice, and purposeful.
And we both went for a tuned short-shift setup.

Both our paint jobs are not completely original, and we both value original paint.
However again, a different approach.
Carl's black paint is nothing short of AMAZING! The best black paint respray I've ever seen! A little soft and delicate, but DEEP single-stage.
His treatment by shaving the corner markers, rear wiper and rear bumperette really 'tied the room together' (The Dude).
The pearl paint on my car is really nice! It's about 66% original, and decent on the reworked areas. And the color is just terribly striking and a rare factor color (only offered 85-87, at the addt'l cost of $8K). I have a short paint crack on the rear, which bothers me a little.
Both went with GTS mirrors, both no rub-strip cars. I added a painted fibreglass rear wing (saved the stock folding wing).

I don't have or need GTS cross-drilled brakes. Have good rotors, pads all around. R&R'd the entire hydaulics system, to include the clutch. E-brake new.

My car is spec'd w/M220 LSD. Not sure about Carl's on that.

Both have X-pipe with 89GT spec exhaust. Thanks Carl for letting me drive your car! It was my inspiration for my setup.

Other notable things both our cars have going for us:
- Early '87 built S4, to include piston squirters and folding rear wing
- No rubstrips
- For me, No Rear AC
- All analog dash
- Pre-airbag (sorry guys)
- Pre-PSD (again, sorry guys)

Things we wish for?:
- Hotter 89GT cams
- My bet Carl would say no sunroof... me otherwise (too nice on the highway)
- For me, heated seats

Not much else, I don't think.

The best thing is we both love out cars, and the direction we took it. And I think your right Dave, it's all about setting the example, in a manner similar to Porsche had intended, or would have if they really used the 928 for many purposes.

And for the record, I'm all in for $22K. And I feel okay posting that, because I would not accept less for it... and would hope for more under the right circumstances.

Regarding labor, I can't argue that. But it's a labor of love, so it doesn't matter.
Any way you cut it, it's better than playing Nintendo.

A couple pics I have of both our cars... SITM 2010




PS. Carl, I just read your post about runnin' you bike down to SITM. If that's what you want to do, cool. FWIW, my offer from a few posts back still stands.
Merry Christmas, bud!
Call me...

pjg

If it has, this one looks like a good deal and its close by. 1990 Porsche 928 - $8000 (Pomfret Ct.) No Affiliation

http://newlondon.craigslist.org/cto/2735228943.html

worf928

Actually, you're doing what I kinda hoped you would do: list the stuff already done not listed in your build thread.

The LH and HVAC bits have to be done due to age to call it turn-key. The ball joints and such are more mileage-based: not as big a deal if it's a 30k car.

That pretty much even's it up though. The rest is, as you point out, differences based upon intended purpose.

I must've missed Perl's new suspension when I scanned your thread.

Heh! Me too.

Sure. But, original paint becomes less of an issue when someone's not looking for a garage queen car. A really good re-paint on a high-mileage car is worth more (IMO) than tired original paint on a high-mileage car.

Perl's paint is awesome by the way.

Heh. I spent hours getting all those side marker lights replaced/working and then within a couple of weeks they were gone.

You can say that again.

Yup. Carl's is 220 also.

Agreed. The only thing on Carl's list was replacing the front wheel bearings due only to age and mileage.

Ah. I'm glad you posted that. That's purchase price plus the new parts you've put in? And you've done all the labor?

This is what so many folks don't really understand when it comes to valuing 928s: How much needs to be put into them to make them factory-fresh. For someone that isn't going to do their own work, buying a bargain just isn't.