GregBBRD

I'm cool with it...it just might be better if we worked together on it...and you sold my stuff. Many, many people say that I see more stuff by accident, than most people see, on purpose...I've got a pretty good handle on this stuff.

I'm just saying, my friend, you've got a giant "O ****" moment coming...that will make the "Ford Motor Mount Fiasco" (FMMF) seem like a good thing!

AO

It's time for

ROG100

Greg,
Maybe my respect for you is slipping a little.
Are you saying you are the only person who can design/produce a cam gear - I think not.
Your silly innuendos are not becoming of such a talented person.
Let’s get back to coming up with a cam gear that meets the market requirements and not gloat over potential misfortunes.
I do not see you sharing any of your information on the thread – just some top secret design you seem to want to keep to yourself.
I am a very transparant person and willing to share with all.
Roger

928mac

Yip, me too

Alan

I'd think the ideal for the volume case would be to have the existing OEM build more to the same spec at the same old cost ... no? Is that out of the question?

After all these are basically "consumables" for the engine - we will all need them... I've replaced mine once already... there is a repeat market.

Given a suifficient sized order it seems hard to believe this wouldn't be attractive to the OEM - unless they are the ones supplying the new more expensive versions to Porsche...

BTW are we sure this new one isn't an improved version? (e.g. harder plated)

Alan

blown 87

What a wonderful time to take things to a PM or email, or even the phone.

ROG100

Greg Grey,
Steel makes a lot of sense from a wear point but is way down the list of suitable materials.
The more you machine the more it costs.
I can't afford the up front costs of pressure die casting so machining from billet is the best way forward.
Choosing a material that is light, strong but not brittle and wear resistant is certainly interesting stuff.

The material used in the original gears is soft and the coating does little to protect the surface from wear as we all have found out. Contary to what I used to think their is no anodising of the surface of the original gears. I learn something new all the time.

I really appreciate all the constructive feedback and have passed the information back to those that need to know.

blown 87

What is it then?

It is a coating of some sort.

ROG100

Alan,
Tried a number of communications with the original manufacturer both direct and via the wholesalers.
Basically no response other than confirmation that the part is NLA.
I will have one of the new gears here tomorrow and will see what can be gleaned from that.
Roger

ROG100

Greg (Blown 87),
Yes a sprayed on coating. Has a specific description I can add later - forgotten it.
Not teflon but something else.
Roger

White Lightnin'

This thread has gone like this:

No cam gears?
What is Porsche thinking?
We can have them made(?)
Oh, they're still available... Porsche just wants more profit
We can still make them cheaper(?)
No, the plentiful 944 gears won't work
Have to be a lightweight, protective coated alloy
Wait, someone else has been actively involved in this production for 2 months!
And, phone calls aren't being returned to consolidate efforts
Umm, maybe steel teeth on an aluminum gear? (steel & aluminum don't happily co-exist)

Granted, this thread does identify a potential problem both in availability & cost and does, on the surface, enable a multitude of ideas to provide a solution to be cast out for discussion... the cause of participating for the common good of 928 ownership should far outweigh any personal objectives... and drama.


As has existed in the past, the OEM can be sourced for these gears instead of Porsche themselves... the "01" part manufacturer is already tooled up since they were making them... have they been contacted? If different, has the new "04" part manufacturer been contacted? The "04" source may be contractually obligated to just sell to PAG, whereas the "01" source may not. Everything discussed in this thread may be for no reason at all... just sayin'.



[edit] had not seen where contacting the original OEM had been made... still, they won't turn down business in this economy I'd think.

blown 87

I do not need to know what it is, but I do know once it is through the gray stuff they wear very quickly, so it does seem to have some anti wear properties.

Mark Anderson

So is this the wrong place to announce "my" new cam gears? I did have my vendor that makes our torque tube shafts quote me on 100 units.
I'm considering red ones because red is always faster

ROG100

I will repeat again. The OEM MWU has been contacted by myself and the wholesalers. The wholesalers were the one buying the part direct from MWU and have a vested interest in the continuity of supply of the original or the new part. They have been told the part is NLA. My emails and phone messages have been left unanswered - and yes I know enough German to make an initial enquiry.

I do not know who the new manufacturer is or if the new part is being made by MWU. I doubt it otherwise they would be offering it direct to the wholesalers.

ROG100

Mark I will buy them especially if they are red 8>).

Announce away it is a free market.