Illuminated Window Switch Project ** MAILING AND GUIDE UPDATE **
11-15-2010, 12:25 AM
#16
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At 3rd Coast, I had a panel in my hands, lighted in blue. It was way past midnight and deep into party mode, but I'm sure someone will remember and post their impression.
Everybody who saw it, really like the effect.
Paul
11-15-2010, 01:02 AM
#19
Former Vendor
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There are no transformers, no buzzing and the whole thing could be soaked in water and still light up.
Thanks
Paul
11-15-2010, 01:03 AM
#20
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11-15-2010, 01:30 AM
#21
Administrator - "Tyson"
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With no wiper or remote hatch release, need to think of something else to program the other two buttons.
Looks awesome Paul, nice job!!
Looks awesome Paul, nice job!!
11-15-2010, 11:35 AM
#22
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
one option that many seem to like in a case like this, is to add dedicated buttons for express up/dwn. I am designing some nice pictogram for it.
Door lock, radar jammer, kick down switch are all options that some are considering.
But ultimately, you could also leave the space empty and have the design of your choice lighted
Paul
Ppaul
11-15-2010, 11:41 AM
#23
So is this kit ready to install if you just want basic features ie. regular windows up down, sunroof and rear wiper? Are the DEI modules just needed for the express down, alarm and other special features?
11-15-2010, 12:49 PM
#25
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Cosmo,
DEI modules are need for ALL functionality on the 89 and older cars. There is a good possibility that the panel will be a direct swap-in for the 90+ and able to control the factory window module. I will be testing this soon.
Here is a quick summary of whats going on:
The switch panel that Paul and I designed is a low-current "signal switch" panel, which is used to activate a high-current circuit. The DEI 529T and 530T modules receive this trigger signal, and then use internal solid-state relays to activate the window motors directly. So without a high-current module (either the stock 90+ or the DEI) these switches will not operate a window motor. It is not a limitation of their design but the intended design feature. By making these a low-current switch and using some licensed proprietary technology, these switches will not wear out, and are rated beyond 5-million actuations before failure (switch elements rated at 30-million plus actuations, and the carbon-ink used on the PCB pads is rated at 5-million actuations.)
That said, in a nutshell, each button is a 12v ~100ma NO momentary contact switch. So, you can use any available button to operate any device/circuit that uses a low-current NO MC type switch. This is also enough current to trip many relays (please consult the spec sheet to make sure the coil does not require too much current) and then you can trigger high-current circuits as well.
Does that make sense. I am happy to provide further explaination.
Thanks,
Hans
DEI modules are need for ALL functionality on the 89 and older cars. There is a good possibility that the panel will be a direct swap-in for the 90+ and able to control the factory window module. I will be testing this soon.
Here is a quick summary of whats going on:
The switch panel that Paul and I designed is a low-current "signal switch" panel, which is used to activate a high-current circuit. The DEI 529T and 530T modules receive this trigger signal, and then use internal solid-state relays to activate the window motors directly. So without a high-current module (either the stock 90+ or the DEI) these switches will not operate a window motor. It is not a limitation of their design but the intended design feature. By making these a low-current switch and using some licensed proprietary technology, these switches will not wear out, and are rated beyond 5-million actuations before failure (switch elements rated at 30-million plus actuations, and the carbon-ink used on the PCB pads is rated at 5-million actuations.)
That said, in a nutshell, each button is a 12v ~100ma NO momentary contact switch. So, you can use any available button to operate any device/circuit that uses a low-current NO MC type switch. This is also enough current to trip many relays (please consult the spec sheet to make sure the coil does not require too much current) and then you can trigger high-current circuits as well.
Does that make sense. I am happy to provide further explaination.
Thanks,
Hans
11-15-2010, 01:16 PM
#26
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Seen this piece at the 3rd Coast event a few weeks ago and it looks and feels (ooh-la-la, that's French don't you know) superb. I am now going to Pay Pal and buying one of these units. T
11-15-2010, 01:20 PM
#27
Gotcha, thanks for the clarification Hans!
If the DEI's are a reasonable price I will definitely be interested in one of these panels.
If the DEI's are a reasonable price I will definitely be interested in one of these panels.
Cosmo,
DEI modules are need for ALL functionality on the 89 and older cars. There is a good possibility that the panel will be a direct swap-in for the 90+ and able to control the factory window module. I will be testing this soon.
Here is a quick summary of whats going on:
The switch panel that Paul and I designed is a low-current "signal switch" panel, which is used to activate a high-current circuit. The DEI 529T and 530T modules receive this trigger signal, and then use internal solid-state relays to activate the window motors directly. So without a high-current module (either the stock 90+ or the DEI) these switches will not operate a window motor. It is not a limitation of their design but the intended design feature. By making these a low-current switch and using some licensed proprietary technology, these switches will not wear out, and are rated beyond 5-million actuations before failure (switch elements rated at 30-million plus actuations, and the carbon-ink used on the PCB pads is rated at 5-million actuations.)
That said, in a nutshell, each button is a 12v ~100ma NO momentary contact switch. So, you can use any available button to operate any device/circuit that uses a low-current NO MC type switch. This is also enough current to trip many relays (please consult the spec sheet to make sure the coil does not require too much current) and then you can trigger high-current circuits as well.
Does that make sense. I am happy to provide further explaination.
Thanks,
Hans
DEI modules are need for ALL functionality on the 89 and older cars. There is a good possibility that the panel will be a direct swap-in for the 90+ and able to control the factory window module. I will be testing this soon.
Here is a quick summary of whats going on:
The switch panel that Paul and I designed is a low-current "signal switch" panel, which is used to activate a high-current circuit. The DEI 529T and 530T modules receive this trigger signal, and then use internal solid-state relays to activate the window motors directly. So without a high-current module (either the stock 90+ or the DEI) these switches will not operate a window motor. It is not a limitation of their design but the intended design feature. By making these a low-current switch and using some licensed proprietary technology, these switches will not wear out, and are rated beyond 5-million actuations before failure (switch elements rated at 30-million plus actuations, and the carbon-ink used on the PCB pads is rated at 5-million actuations.)
That said, in a nutshell, each button is a 12v ~100ma NO momentary contact switch. So, you can use any available button to operate any device/circuit that uses a low-current NO MC type switch. This is also enough current to trip many relays (please consult the spec sheet to make sure the coil does not require too much current) and then you can trigger high-current circuits as well.
Does that make sense. I am happy to provide further explaination.
Thanks,
Hans
11-15-2010, 01:37 PM
#29
Burning Brakes
How hard this would be to instal for someone with rather basic electrical knowledge? I just need basic functions that came with the car originaly - windows up/down, sunroof open/close and rear wiper. Car is '87 S4. Pretty much all buttons on my car need to be replaced, this would be a great alternative, but only if I could do myself...
Thank You!
Thank You!
11-15-2010, 02:22 PM
#30
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
How hard this would be to instal for someone with rather basic electrical knowledge? I just need basic functions that came with the car originaly - windows up/down, sunroof open/close and rear wiper. Car is '87 S4. Pretty much all buttons on my car need to be replaced, this would be a great alternative, but only if I could do myself...
Thank You!
Thank You!
it will be very easy to install and the kit will come with complete and precise instruction. And both Hans and I are pretty much always around here and will remain available to guide you if hit a snag.
Paul