hacker-pschorr

My 67 year old father wears this shirt:

http://www.thewirelesscatalog.com/wi...s_AG8831G.html

tv

Well I do from years of reading Fchat where guys have been pissed that they could not get a limited edition w/o prior ownership of many top ferraris and started threads about it and until the economic downturn it was tough to get in line to purchase a new production model if you had not bought a used model first. That has changed with the collapse of the economy.

I also know it from talking with the people who buy these things. The racer/collector whose stradale I drove, the guy I know who owns an F1 and every other top exotic, and the guy who owned what is in this pic plus a Ford GT, F40, ....... that is me in the sweatshirt leaning on something (maybe an F40).

Everyone knows what a "production car" is and buying one doesn't involve previous purchases or references and they aren't limited other then by time in the calendar or physical capacity and they recur.

Imo000

There is a day and night difference between a manual and an auto 928. I had no problem pulling on a G35, before the SC went in. The 350Z/G35 is not as fast as they claim.

inactiveuser1

Thats how I remember the auto car advertised as the fastest production automatic car back in 87.
Fastest not as in 0-60 but as in top speed.
If anyone knows of a faster production automatic trans car back then would like to see the numbers and what it is.
They do use the auto car in the commercial,not sure what they used when they ran it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgqxAd4aCVE
and the test.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDllUaxNZoY

john bono

This is a WAG on my part, but I bet part of that differential is the torque tube. Since it only has to deal with 300lbft of torque coming directly from the motor rather than the 1000 lb-ft that comes from the transmission in the Z, it can be narrower, and lighter, so less drivetrain loss.

hacker-pschorr

WOW - you know people who were turned down from buying a car.

Still doesn't prove or change anything for this discussion.

I know a guy who was turned down from buying an Bugatti EB110 and another friend who missed his window to buy a new Ford GT.

Nice photo, if I show a pic of me sitting in a vintage 917 does that give me more clout?

You obviously do not.


Exclusivity does not equal "non production" - period.
Nothing you've stated has even remotely proved this to be wrong.


My God, this is worse than discussing gear ratios with Kibort.

Mongo

The only 928 manual I have driven and ridden in was my Dad's 1985 and Mako928's car respectively. I can tell you that both cars felt faster than my '87 slushbox.

tv

Great old piece, thanks for posting, I had never seen that.


Hacker give it up, a honda civic is a production car an Enzo is not. The pic is nice and is on topic showing 3 NON-production cars owned by 1 man who has had many offers for each car from people who were not not lucky enough to be chosen by the factory to buy them when they were new.

Maybe that's why the mags never included them in the tests.

If we were talking about the 917 and its build quality pics of you inside one would matter and as to the old bugatti, it's hard to imagine someone being refused one when they went out of business from lack of sales;

Hard times hit the company in 1995 and, as result of chairman Artioli's over ambitious purchase of Lotus in addition to the company's quest to develop the EB112 four door car, the company was bankrupt. Dauer Racing GmbH of Nuremberg, Germany, bought the semi-finished EB 110 cars in the assembly plant plus the parts inventory through the bankruptcy trustee. The remaining chassis and a version of the engine were later developed by B Engineering into their Edonis sports car.



Production car:


encarta-car manufactured on production line: a car of a type manufactured in large numbers on a production line for general use


I would add that it is a recurring model that has no pre-set number to be produced and is available to anyone with the financial means to buy it. Anything that requires qualifications for purchase or an arbitrary limited number set in advance by the producer is not a production car.

EspritS4s

There is one brief shot in the second video where they show Holbert's hand on the shifter which is all the way forward. It looks like a manual. BTW, it's always fun to watch that video and see how the side mirrors appear and disappear on the car

I think that you are correct that it was the fastest automatic at the time, but I also recall that they marketed it as the fastest production car period. I don't know how they explained away the other examples that have been raised.

hacker-pschorr

Nothing to "give up" other than the fact that you are 100% wrong.

Again by your definition, nothing more.

So? That doesn't change anything other than the fact that those are production cars. How / why he bought or acquired them doesn't mean a thing.

For the 4th time - exclusivity doesn't mean non-production. You saying it over and over doesn't make it so.

Guess we don't read the same magzines.

In fact, Top Gear removed the FXX from their leader board for not being a production car. The Zonda, Enzo, GT etc... are still up there..... I wonder why?? Becasue they are production cars.

In fact, the Zonda is considered the fastest production car at the Nürburgring right now.

Define "large numbers".......that's what I thought.

There is a McLaren F1 owner in Texas who is well known for using it as a daily driver. So much in fact his issues with over heating in rush hour traffic are well documented. So that covers the "general use" quota.

More BS definitions made up by you.....nothing more.

inactiveuser1

The way his hand is on the shifter in the 2nd video does look like a manual.
Articles on the 87 S4 as fastest production car recorded worldwide.
Also 1984 S as the fastest US car.
http://www.cars-directory.net/history/porsche/928/

blown 87

I think there are very few of us that will ever know just how fast our cars can go.
So really what does it matter which one is a few MPH faster?

pcar928fan

^^^^^
I bet there is a greater percentage here (and on most other car forums) who know or will know the answer to that question than in the general populace! LOL! I figured it out on my Spitfire...of course I was still barely speeding! LOL! Talk about scary though! OMG! Pretty sure I have never got quite there in any of the 928's though...

87 944 C

simple meaning of production car: met all laws to be sold for street use, whether there were 2 made or 5000 or 1million

vr4 vs c5: even. c5zo6 will pull eventually. i dont like vettes....everyone has one. thats why i prefer something like the stealth, they're out there but not common.

the sick part...167 seems tame by todays "sports cars"....hell even i've gone 199.

inactiveuser1

Alot of plain vettes but not everyone has a vette like the new ZR1 that thing flies!Alittle slower in the 1/4 mile than the all wheel drive 911 but most likely traction problems would of liked to see a good set of sticky tires on that test.
On the race track thou it beat the 911 turbo and when it came to the mile run it ran 177mph and also a top end of 205mph!
1.07g also.At least after racing the heck out of the ZR1,it still ran great.
I like ZR1 and also the 911TT cars and was dissapointed in the final outcome on what the 911TT did after running up against the ZR1.They said the 2 turbos broke on the 911,they didn't say the cause.
The funny part is the 5:30 mark of the video when they explain the ZR1 lol
I like 911TT but it was good to see GM still has a Vette that KICKS ***.
http://www.motortrend.com/av/roadtes...deo/index.html