1980 Euro-S performance compared to S4
09-07-2010, 03:15 PM
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Until you try to slow down and turn a corner. Which is important to almost every other 928 owner except you.
The cost comparison was shot down in multiple threads once you forget about the 1/4 mile. NOS stops being cost effective versus other forms of "boost" in a single 3-day track weekend.
The cost comparison was shot down in multiple threads once you forget about the 1/4 mile. NOS stops being cost effective versus other forms of "boost" in a single 3-day track weekend.
09-07-2010, 04:29 PM
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Until you try to slow down and turn a corner. Which is important to almost every other 928 owner except you.
The cost comparison was shot down in multiple threads once you forget about the 1/4 mile. NOS stops being cost effective versus other forms of "boost" in a single 3-day track weekend.
The cost comparison was shot down in multiple threads once you forget about the 1/4 mile. NOS stops being cost effective versus other forms of "boost" in a single 3-day track weekend.
Hold on ..the original POSTER was talking about street...nothing about 1/4s..or track days...
And for the STREET ...NOTHING can beat Nitrous apart from the largest of Superchargers....an even one of those would have a problem with my car....
Nitrous is a VERY cost effective way of providing power..where else can you find 100 to 200 hp for under $1000 on a 928 ?
You wont get a supercharger or turbocharger for that cost....and lightening will not work either ...particularly as he already has a light 928.....
I realise some people have a "thing" about deriding Nitrous, but please try and be unbiased....
Its just another way of adding power, which is what he wanted....
All the best Brett
P.S What have corners got to do with anything ? I don`t use Nitrous in corners and my 928 goes round them perfectly well, the same as every other 928....
09-07-2010, 06:32 PM
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Post #24 you keep talking about NOS use at the track....
My car has been supercharged for quite a few years now. Add up every time I've been under boost and calculate the cost of NOS. It's not even close.
Cost of entry is very cheap with Nitrous, nobody in their right mind would argue against that. The long term costs are never ending.
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09-07-2010, 06:37 PM
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Brett I wouldn't bark up Erik's tree on this one. He does have access to one that will most likely clean your nitrous powered 928's clock. Also if I tied my 928 to a fighter jet, could we call mine the fastest 928? To me nitrous is just as bogus.
09-07-2010, 06:48 PM
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Apologies for going on about this but could you please explain WHY you think Nitrous is "bogus" ?
To me Nitrous just a way of adding power, like superchargers or turbos or even in one rather technologically advanced and admirable case twin turbos...
They ALL have advantages and disadvantages but they ALL add power...no ?
I see this attitude to Nitrous a LOT and I really fail to understand why people have it ?
Some say its the risk of engine damage etc but that applies to ANY method of forced induction...?
All the best Brett
09-07-2010, 11:25 PM
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I can drive a car with more hp faster in the corners.... You can't?
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Hold on ..the original POSTER was talking about street...nothing about 1/4s..or track days...
And for the STREET ...NOTHING can beat Nitrous apart from the largest of Superchargers....an even one of those would have a problem with my car....
Nitrous is a VERY cost effective way of providing power..where else can you find 100 to 200 hp for under $1000 on a 928 ?
You wont get a supercharger or turbocharger for that cost....and lightening will not work either ...particularly as he already has a light 928.....
I realise some people have a "thing" about deriding Nitrous, but please try and be unbiased....
Its just another way of adding power, which is what he wanted....
All the best Brett
P.S What have corners got to do with anything ? I don`t use Nitrous in corners and my 928 goes round them perfectly well, the same as every other 928....
Hold on ..the original POSTER was talking about street...nothing about 1/4s..or track days...
And for the STREET ...NOTHING can beat Nitrous apart from the largest of Superchargers....an even one of those would have a problem with my car....
Nitrous is a VERY cost effective way of providing power..where else can you find 100 to 200 hp for under $1000 on a 928 ?
You wont get a supercharger or turbocharger for that cost....and lightening will not work either ...particularly as he already has a light 928.....
I realise some people have a "thing" about deriding Nitrous, but please try and be unbiased....
Its just another way of adding power, which is what he wanted....
All the best Brett
P.S What have corners got to do with anything ? I don`t use Nitrous in corners and my 928 goes round them perfectly well, the same as every other 928....
09-08-2010, 12:49 AM
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I was enjoying this thread before it went OT into Nitro.
Lets see if I can help get this a back on track a little. (Go PM nos guys)
I've driven both an '84 Euro 5sp LSD, and '87 S4 5sp LSD at least a few thousand miles each.
The Euro weighed in as light as they're spec'd and the S4 weighs in as heavy as it' spec'd.
You can REALLY feel the difference, esp in the corners.
The Euro HP rush is at higher rpm's, and the lower FD gearing help get you there and keep you "in the peak".
I found myself bouncing off the rev limiter more often.
It feels cammy, it feels and sounds like a raw 2 valve.
The flywheel is light and throttle response is quick... easy to blip and EASY to rev! Great street car just be prepared if you want to have fun.
The S4's flat meaty torque takes care of any weight differential, compared in a straight line.
HP is understated and present, but happily buried under the torque.
The 4V has a refined purposeful rev to it, and a solid exhaust note.
Throttle feels smooth but strained under the larger heavier flywheel... took a while to get used to rev matching.
The higher FD ratio really makes the car feel like it has LONG legs as it does; 120mph off the rev limiter the top of 3rd gear, folks!
2.20, smooth throttle, & torque make it an easy street car with to have fun.
Lets see if I can help get this a back on track a little. (Go PM nos guys)
I've driven both an '84 Euro 5sp LSD, and '87 S4 5sp LSD at least a few thousand miles each.
The Euro weighed in as light as they're spec'd and the S4 weighs in as heavy as it' spec'd.
You can REALLY feel the difference, esp in the corners.
The Euro HP rush is at higher rpm's, and the lower FD gearing help get you there and keep you "in the peak".
I found myself bouncing off the rev limiter more often.
It feels cammy, it feels and sounds like a raw 2 valve.
The flywheel is light and throttle response is quick... easy to blip and EASY to rev! Great street car just be prepared if you want to have fun.
The S4's flat meaty torque takes care of any weight differential, compared in a straight line.
HP is understated and present, but happily buried under the torque.
The 4V has a refined purposeful rev to it, and a solid exhaust note.
Throttle feels smooth but strained under the larger heavier flywheel... took a while to get used to rev matching.
The higher FD ratio really makes the car feel like it has LONG legs as it does; 120mph off the rev limiter the top of 3rd gear, folks!
2.20, smooth throttle, & torque make it an easy street car with to have fun.
09-08-2010, 01:15 AM
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NOS is pretty cheap, considering, you only need pump gas per half tank to run the stuff, vs boost, for 200extra hp which might require race gas. a 10lb bottle lasts 10laps of a 25min race, and costs $45. half a tank of race gas, costs about the same over normal pump gas.
09-08-2010, 01:27 AM
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You can REALLY feel the difference, esp in the corners.
The Euro HP rush is at higher rpm's, and the lower FD gearing help get you there and keep you "in the peak".
I found myself bouncing off the rev limiter more often.
It feels cammy, it feels and sounds like a raw 2 valve.
The flywheel is light and throttle response is quick... easy to blip and EASY to rev! Great street car just be prepared if you want to have fun.
The Euro HP rush is at higher rpm's, and the lower FD gearing help get you there and keep you "in the peak".
I found myself bouncing off the rev limiter more often.
It feels cammy, it feels and sounds like a raw 2 valve.
The flywheel is light and throttle response is quick... easy to blip and EASY to rev! Great street car just be prepared if you want to have fun.
09-08-2010, 02:10 AM
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My euro-s was never weighed but I bought a new manual for it from Germany and lists the weight as 3197, so I have no reason to doubt it. I've dreamed about supercharging it, but with 10:1 compression it might be possible to do a stage 1, giving the car 450HP, not bad! But I can't afford it right now. The car has 8 and 10 inch wheels with W rated Avon tires on it(BBS wheels), front & rear S4 bumpers with a wing.
09-08-2010, 07:25 AM
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09-08-2010, 07:27 AM
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My euro-s was never weighed but I bought a new manual for it from Germany and lists the weight as 3197, so I have no reason to doubt it. I've dreamed about supercharging it, but with 10:1 compression it might be possible to do a stage 1, giving the car 450HP, not bad! But I can't afford it right now. The car has 8 and 10 inch wheels with W rated Avon tires on it(BBS wheels), front & rear S4 bumpers with a wing.
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Well, setting the whole NOS vs. boost argument aside, if you want something that you can abuse a bit and just want power to mass then go for the euro s manual, I had one, and they are a lot of fun especially around corners.
If you want a high speed, high comfort cruiser that will smooth out every bump and has loads of extras then go for the s4.
Personally I prefer my s4 over my euro s that I had, given I am not much interested in light-to-light drags, for that I abuse my beetle
If you want a high speed, high comfort cruiser that will smooth out every bump and has loads of extras then go for the s4.
Personally I prefer my s4 over my euro s that I had, given I am not much interested in light-to-light drags, for that I abuse my beetle