cold_beer839

Looks nice. $70 is a hopeful price, and I hope he gets it. Mine has 20k less miles, so it should be worth $20k more if my math is right......just kidding.

I would love to rebuild the motor in my GTS and fix some of the factory 'issues' that may or may not be 'issues', but it just runs too nice to justify it. My GTS is the best running car I have ever owned.

pcar928fan

Come now Chuck...you know better than that...just because a person races (which is HIGHLY unlikely with ANY GTS, but he probably means DE) a car does not mean it isn't well cared for. In fact it might be BETTER cared for. That is an individual thing. My S4 has 10k track miles on it and if we had not run on a freshly resurfaced runway one time it would have no damage at all from those experiences. Even with the rash from that runway Time Trial I'd put it up against just about any S4 I have seen.

So, the no racers thing...that is just BS, but to each his own. Obviously HE thinks if you take a car to the track you can't possibly CARE about the car. From my track experiences I can say that statement could not be further from the truth.

Leon Speed

Looks like a very nice alternative to "invest 10K to get a 5K car". Sure the seller can choose who he sells to or who not, but after it's sold, he looses his prerogative.

Bill Ball

+1000 on that. I guess I'm way overdue X2 rebuilds. It so odd to do this and such an obvious question from a potential buyer that the seller should have spelled out why. This hardly qualifies as being overzealous in our criticism.

SteveG

It is a silly comment to put in an ad, goes with what you said: people don't know how to market. OTH, he can say anything he wants, sounds like he doesn't compromise, but he can't control what happens to it after he sells it. And I don't think anybody wants to trash a car when they buy it, even if it was cheap and expendable to them. Yes, price can discriminate.

inactiveuser1

Will an offer to have a throttle stop put on it qualify anyone who likes to race?
Maybe an offer to put a governor on it will qualify any racer to be on the buy list.
Better not say you took them off your mini-bikes when little.

Chuck Z

Mechanically speaking you might be right (at least I hope you're right, cars that get on the track better be sound) but I have yet to see a car that does any amount of track time at all not show cosmetic signs of having been on the track..... Not a single one.... There are ALWAYS tell tale signs; pitted windsheilds, road rash all over the place on every forward facing surface (some worse than others...), the interior..... and they can NEVER be cleaned as well as a car that has not been on the track. If the car ever sees some off track adventures, forget about it...... Track miles are many times as hard on a car as the same miles on the street......

Chuck Z

Agreed, it is a silly comment and personally I might hope it but would never put it an ad. I might not sell it to someone who tells me they're going to track the car. I did it with Kermit. A guy told me he was going to buy it for his son to drive and I told him he needed to find another 928..... And he was going to pay my price but I still said no knowing I lost the sale....

You're also right that rarely do people want to trash a car but do so only by the way they take care of them... People trash cars that never see the track simply b/c they do not take care of them properly.

To a point he can control who it goes to by either agreeing to sell it to someone or not whatever the reason..... After that, not so much.

Marine Blue

+928 when it comes to the cosmetics. I also think the suspension will see twice (or more) wear than regular street driving. There's a reason why car companies like to void warranties if a car has seen track time.

GregBBRD

You guys with GTS cars should be thrilled that a car with this many miles on it would even be near his asking price. Sure it is a '95 5 speed...but a rebuild at that mileage with new pistons? Something obviously went wrong....unless it just used too much oil.

If they just redid the engine becasue it used oil: Here's the real question...were they "expert" enough to drill the oil return holes in the new pistons...or does it still use lots of oil?

Rob Edwards

When I got the GTS up on liftbars and pulled the wheelwell liners, shields, exhaust and suspension out of it, there must have been 20 lbs of mud, leaves, and grass just wedged into all the body crevices in the fender wells and bumper covers. That was a very satisfying afternoon with the pressure washer. So if you buy a GTS with receipts for corner-balancing, a new front bumper cover, front wheelwell liners, a paint job, a box of Pagid oranges, and a ragged-out engine, you might want to ask more questions about the car's on-track history than I did...

pcar928fan

Chuck,

I guess you guys up in NC are harder on your cars than we are down here... It depends on the tracks you drive on, how close you are willing to drive behind others (and if you are willing to drive close on the track you probably are on the street too and tracks are PURPOSELY kept clean and clear of debris) and how good you are at keeping the car on the pavement.

Plus there is a HUGE difference between a carefully driven 12k mile GTS and a 67k mile highway/street cruiser GTS! HUGE! I would say at 67k miles that car has PLENTY of road rash on it already and a few track days...hell a few track SEASONS won't show any more than what the car already has if the car is nicely taped up before they head out... YMMV.

Oh, and I have NO IDEA why an interior would see more wear on track than on the street...we take all the carpets out of our cars down here before we hit the track...sure windows are down so dust is coming in but unless you go off track I don't think it is much more dust that you would get on the street w/ your windows and sunroof open...

IcemanG17

I do ??? the $22k rebuild at 67k mileage.....since it sounds like a STOCK rebuild...

Now if he said he built a stroker for that price....that makes more sense.....and could be done....

Chuck Z

James my brother, we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.....

I have yet to see a car that has done any significant track time not show it.

pcar928fan

I don't doubt that Chuck, I have seen it too. I guess what I am saying is that with great care and attention a car used on the track *CAN* be just as clean and crisp as a car that has seen the same number of miles on the road. It all comes down to the care of the own more than what the car is used for.

Over the last 10 years in particular we are seeing more and more people take to the track and many of them buy a car that is just pretty good to start with and then don't worry about them much beyond the occasional bath, so yea, they show a bunch of track rash.

I know more than a few folks with Concours winning cars that also take them to the track from time to time...me included!