'10 Modern child car seat for the 928 - Sunshine Kids Radian65SL
07-13-2010, 03:22 PM
#17
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Thread Starter
Request for brackets by the end of next weekend, 7-25-10
That's great we have a few takers for the bracket. Should help get the cost down....
I'll wait to take requests thru next weekend and then send out the design the following week.
Note: This bracket is going to be really beefy. I will over engineer it.
I will post the design on here before sending it out to be made. This will allow everyone involved a chance to review prior to committing.
Caveat Emptor: I will not be responsible for the use of this bracket in any vehicle. Use at your own risk.
I'll wait to take requests thru next weekend and then send out the design the following week.
Note: This bracket is going to be really beefy. I will over engineer it.
I will post the design on here before sending it out to be made. This will allow everyone involved a chance to review prior to committing.
Caveat Emptor: I will not be responsible for the use of this bracket in any vehicle. Use at your own risk.
Last edited by Jadz928; 07-13-2010 at 05:03 PM. Reason: Added caveat
07-13-2010, 03:41 PM
#18
Nordschleife Master
The brackets are commonly available here in Australia. All child seats here are required by law to use a tether attached to the vehicle frame.
This is the bracket you need:
http://www.kidsafewa.com.au/_product...bracket_-_hook
They include the bolt (with a 13mm metric head), spacers to adjust height of the bracket, and the L-shaped bracket, as well as instructions for placement angle etc.
(This crowd look like they ship internationally - their checkout lets you select other countries etc).
I used the same package to fit my 928 for a baby seat, although I bought it off the shelf locally.
This is the bracket you need:
http://www.kidsafewa.com.au/_product...bracket_-_hook
They include the bolt (with a 13mm metric head), spacers to adjust height of the bracket, and the L-shaped bracket, as well as instructions for placement angle etc.
(This crowd look like they ship internationally - their checkout lets you select other countries etc).
I used the same package to fit my 928 for a baby seat, although I bought it off the shelf locally.
07-13-2010, 05:09 PM
#20
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Thread Starter
The brackets are commonly available here in Australia. All child seats here are required by law to use a tether attached to the vehicle frame.
This is the bracket you need:
http://www.kidsafewa.com.au/_product...bracket_-_hook
They include the bolt (with a 13mm metric head), spacers to adjust height of the bracket, and the L-shaped bracket, as well as instructions for placement angle etc.
(This crowd look like they ship internationally - their checkout lets you select other countries etc).
I used the same package to fit my 928 for a baby seat, although I bought it off the shelf locally.
This is the bracket you need:
http://www.kidsafewa.com.au/_product...bracket_-_hook
They include the bolt (with a 13mm metric head), spacers to adjust height of the bracket, and the L-shaped bracket, as well as instructions for placement angle etc.
(This crowd look like they ship internationally - their checkout lets you select other countries etc).
I used the same package to fit my 928 for a baby seat, although I bought it off the shelf locally.
I ordered one of these anchor kits. The bracket looks tough and appears to have the right strength design elements, but I'm not sure if it's the right type for right behind the rear seat with the tether at close to 90 degrees.
Once I've received it I will physical evaluation it and let you all know.
07-15-2010, 01:05 PM
#21
Hey Jim,
When installing the seat, did you have any issues with the lap belt not being tight enough when threaded through the child seat?
I got the my seat yesterday and have been messing around with it. I found the rear seats of the car are so deep that the lap belt doesn't seem to be at the correct angle to function properly and keep the child seat in place when the belt is threaded through the child seat.
Normally, if somebody is sitting in the rear seat and has the lap belt on, the belt will form sort of a "U" shape around the waist with the ends of the "U" being where the belt comes out of the seat and where the belt latches by the center storage compartment (or rear AC).
In the case of the the belt being used to the restrain the child seat, the belt is in more of a diagonal line from the point of the belt reel to the point of the belt latch by the storage compartment This seems to leave a few inches of play if you pull the child seat up before the seat belt reel will catch and restrain.
Should something be put between the child seat and the car's rear seat to tighten this up and bring the belt to the appropriate angle?
On a side note - For the rear tether anchor, I bought a sturdy "L" shaped corner brace at Home Depot and ground out one of the screw holes to fit the child seat's rear tether clip. I then cut off the excess length where the brace will be screwed to the car. It seems very strong.
When installing the seat, did you have any issues with the lap belt not being tight enough when threaded through the child seat?
I got the my seat yesterday and have been messing around with it. I found the rear seats of the car are so deep that the lap belt doesn't seem to be at the correct angle to function properly and keep the child seat in place when the belt is threaded through the child seat.
Normally, if somebody is sitting in the rear seat and has the lap belt on, the belt will form sort of a "U" shape around the waist with the ends of the "U" being where the belt comes out of the seat and where the belt latches by the center storage compartment (or rear AC).
In the case of the the belt being used to the restrain the child seat, the belt is in more of a diagonal line from the point of the belt reel to the point of the belt latch by the storage compartment This seems to leave a few inches of play if you pull the child seat up before the seat belt reel will catch and restrain.
Should something be put between the child seat and the car's rear seat to tighten this up and bring the belt to the appropriate angle?
On a side note - For the rear tether anchor, I bought a sturdy "L" shaped corner brace at Home Depot and ground out one of the screw holes to fit the child seat's rear tether clip. I then cut off the excess length where the brace will be screwed to the car. It seems very strong.
07-15-2010, 01:30 PM
#22
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
Hey Jim,
When installing the seat, did you have any issues with the lap belt not being tight enough when threaded through the child seat?
I got the my seat yesterday and have been messing around with it. I found the rear seats of the car are so deep that the lap belt doesn't seem to be at the correct angle to function properly and keep the child seat in place when the belt is threaded through the child seat.
Normally, if somebody is sitting in the rear seat and has the lap belt on, the belt will form sort of a "U" shape around the waist with the ends of the "U" being where the belt comes out of the seat and where the belt latches by the center storage compartment (or rear AC).
In the case of the the belt being used to the restrain the child seat, the belt is in more of a diagonal line from the point of the belt reel to the point of the belt latch by the storage compartment This seems to leave a few inches of play if you pull the child seat up before the seat belt reel will catch and restrain.
Should something be put between the child seat and the car's rear seat to tighten this up and bring the belt to the appropriate angle?
On a side note - For the rear tether anchor, I bought a sturdy "L" shaped corner brace at Home Depot and ground out one of the screw holes to fit the child seat's rear tether clip. I then cut off the excess length where the brace will be screwed to the car. It seems very strong.
When installing the seat, did you have any issues with the lap belt not being tight enough when threaded through the child seat?
I got the my seat yesterday and have been messing around with it. I found the rear seats of the car are so deep that the lap belt doesn't seem to be at the correct angle to function properly and keep the child seat in place when the belt is threaded through the child seat.
Normally, if somebody is sitting in the rear seat and has the lap belt on, the belt will form sort of a "U" shape around the waist with the ends of the "U" being where the belt comes out of the seat and where the belt latches by the center storage compartment (or rear AC).
In the case of the the belt being used to the restrain the child seat, the belt is in more of a diagonal line from the point of the belt reel to the point of the belt latch by the storage compartment This seems to leave a few inches of play if you pull the child seat up before the seat belt reel will catch and restrain.
Should something be put between the child seat and the car's rear seat to tighten this up and bring the belt to the appropriate angle?
On a side note - For the rear tether anchor, I bought a sturdy "L" shaped corner brace at Home Depot and ground out one of the screw holes to fit the child seat's rear tether clip. I then cut off the excess length where the brace will be screwed to the car. It seems very strong.
It works well for the 928 lap belt in the forward facing position because it is far forward of the lap belt "reel" and slightly forward of the latch on the console.
I didn't feel the need to "snug it up" because the seat fit rather well in the rear seat bucket and doesn't move around.
Upon impact, forward and/or side motion will quickly take up any slack in the belt (which is minimal <1"), then the lap belt reel locks disallowing any further movement.
This is an acceptable setup for me.
Would love to see a pic of your fabricated L-bracket.
FYI, Re the Safe-N-Sound anchor bracket: the Austrailian company would not ship to the US. Any Aussie care to buy one and ship it to me?
07-15-2010, 01:53 PM
#23
Race Car
I assume you are threading the lap belt thru the "slot" at the middle of the seat base? This is technically used when the seat is in the rear facing position.
It works well for the 928 lap belt in the forward facing position because it is far forward of the lap belt "reel" and slightly forward of the latch on the console.
I didn't feel the need to "snug it up" because the seat fit rather well in the rear seat bucket and doesn't move around.
Upon impact, forward and/or side motion will quickly take up any slack in the belt (which is minimal <1"), then the lap belt reel locks disallowing any further movement.
This is an acceptable setup for me.
Would love to see a pic of your fabricated L-bracket.
FYI, Re the Safe-N-Sound anchor bracket: the Austrailian company would not ship to the US. Any Aussie care to buy one and ship it to me?
It works well for the 928 lap belt in the forward facing position because it is far forward of the lap belt "reel" and slightly forward of the latch on the console.
I didn't feel the need to "snug it up" because the seat fit rather well in the rear seat bucket and doesn't move around.
Upon impact, forward and/or side motion will quickly take up any slack in the belt (which is minimal <1"), then the lap belt reel locks disallowing any further movement.
This is an acceptable setup for me.
Would love to see a pic of your fabricated L-bracket.
FYI, Re the Safe-N-Sound anchor bracket: the Austrailian company would not ship to the US. Any Aussie care to buy one and ship it to me?
Shoulder belts and old lap belts USUALLY work this way. A hard pull locks the ratchet but then releases tension. Pulling it out locks the length and it can only go all the way back into the roller to release the lock.
Michael
07-15-2010, 01:57 PM
#24
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Thread Starter
I would assume-and someone in the know please correct me-if you pull the lap belt all the way out of the roll, it should ratchet back (click-click-click) and you should be able to lock it so that it does not move.
Shoulder belts and old lap belts USUALLY work this way. A hard pull locks the ratchet but then releases tension. Pulling it out locks the length and it can only go all the way back into the roller to release the lock.
Michael
Shoulder belts and old lap belts USUALLY work this way. A hard pull locks the ratchet but then releases tension. Pulling it out locks the length and it can only go all the way back into the roller to release the lock.
Michael
It locks with quick forward motion. Release the force and not more lock.
The ratcheting effect is reverse of what you said.
07-15-2010, 02:03 PM
#25
Race Car
If you pull the belt all the way out-at least on modern belts, the belt will reel in with a series of clicks-and has to go all the way back in to release the ratchet/lock.
The proper way to install a car seat in a vehicle with a 3 point belt (lap/shoulder) but no LATCH, (and also for Booster Seats) is to pull the belt out all the way, lock it in place then slowly let it back in to take up slack. When it is all the way out, it will only roll back in (what I wast trying to say-but wasn't clear), not out, until it is released and rolls back up on the reel.
Michael
07-15-2010, 05:53 PM
#26
Nordschleife Master
07-15-2010, 06:13 PM
#27
I also found one at Canadian Tire: http://www.canadiantire.ca/storeloca...ab93dac63f2d41
I don't know if they will ship to the US.
It seems these things don't exist commercially in the US. Probably because the lawyers would have a field day with an improperly installed unit.
I don't know if they will ship to the US.
It seems these things don't exist commercially in the US. Probably because the lawyers would have a field day with an improperly installed unit.
07-15-2010, 06:24 PM
#28
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Thread Starter
I also found one at Canadian Tire: http://www.canadiantire.ca/storeloca...ab93dac63f2d41
I don't know if they will ship to the US.
It seems these things don't exist commercially in the US. Probably because the lawyers would have a field day with an improperly installed unit.
I don't know if they will ship to the US.
It seems these things don't exist commercially in the US. Probably because the lawyers would have a field day with an improperly installed unit.
07-15-2010, 08:14 PM
#29
I was threading the belt through the slot intended for the FORWARD facing set-up. After reading Jim's reply to my post, I tried it through the slot intended for the REAR facing infant position. It actually works better this way. There is still some slack, but not as much.
I put some cut up pieces of foam wacky noodles (those swimming pool toys) under and behind the seat to reduce some of the movement. It also protects the leather, along with a car seat pad from Toy's R Us.
The seat belt seems to function properly. If you pull it slowly, it will reel out. If you jerk it suddenly (like and accident impact) it will lock. The instruction manual makes it sound like there should be almost no movement. I've found with experience in other modern cars with other child seats that there will always be some movement. I guess the important thing is the seat doesn't go flying forward.
I took photos of the modified "L" bracket and will post them tonight or tomorrow. Right now, I'm going to take my son for his first ride in "daddy's Porsche car".
I put some cut up pieces of foam wacky noodles (those swimming pool toys) under and behind the seat to reduce some of the movement. It also protects the leather, along with a car seat pad from Toy's R Us.
The seat belt seems to function properly. If you pull it slowly, it will reel out. If you jerk it suddenly (like and accident impact) it will lock. The instruction manual makes it sound like there should be almost no movement. I've found with experience in other modern cars with other child seats that there will always be some movement. I guess the important thing is the seat doesn't go flying forward.
I took photos of the modified "L" bracket and will post them tonight or tomorrow. Right now, I'm going to take my son for his first ride in "daddy's Porsche car".
07-16-2010, 12:46 AM
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I have used the Radian in my 928 for a number of years and have been very happy with it and I too have recommended it to others (although I have used the rear luggage latch which I agree there is a better solution).
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...ld-seat-2.html
good find on the
Car Seat Tether Bolt
Product #46-6002-2
• Allows car seats to be installed properly
• Used with car seats to meet Transport Canada standards
at Canadian tire!
Their web site shows inventory at my local store. If any one is interested in this item I can purchase and ship it to you for the actual cost of purchase and shipping.
I'll pop by a store tomorrow and grab one to check it out. (I am going away for the weekend though so report back will probably be Monday)
If folks are interested, let me know.
Rich
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...ld-seat-2.html
good find on the
Car Seat Tether Bolt
Product #46-6002-2
• Allows car seats to be installed properly
• Used with car seats to meet Transport Canada standards
at Canadian tire!
Their web site shows inventory at my local store. If any one is interested in this item I can purchase and ship it to you for the actual cost of purchase and shipping.
I'll pop by a store tomorrow and grab one to check it out. (I am going away for the weekend though so report back will probably be Monday)
If folks are interested, let me know.
Rich