The Head Case (has soft-core parts porn)
#1
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
The Head Case (has soft-core parts ****)
This is the post-mortem for the porting and polishing thread: https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...ee-thread.html
For a number of reasons, most likely including the recession and less than stellar business acumen, the person porting my heads went out of business and closed his shop last year while in the middle of the job of porting my heads. This was a cluster-f of epic proportions, of course. There are multiple potential fail-blog entries in the saga, including lost parts, missing persons, etc. On the positive side, to my knowledge, the Mexican mafia was not involved.
Don't have your heads ported by Don Redmon!
Hence the title of this thread, The Head Case.
So that's the bad news. The good news is that Jim Morton really did me a solid. He (a) extracted the heads from a rather random location where they had ended up in because of the business failure and (b) completed the job. Furthermore, these heads look like they'll work out in the end. So a happy ending is in the horizon.
Some photos:
The valves are by Ferrea. Close to stock sizes and weights, but should be able to handle the turbo heat.
The springs are custom load beehives from PAC. The seated load is about 85 lbf and the spring rate is a bit above 300 lbf/inch. Because of the lower valvetrain mass and higher spring load, the simulations say the heads would be good for over 8000 rpm without valve float with the selected cam profile.
The cams that will be run in these heads are the S3->S4 cams with reground lobes, made by Dema Elgin and Jim Morton. Those are the same cams that are run in Dennis Kao's 5.0 screamer motor. Since Dennis Kao's engine made over 380 rwhp NA with those cams and shaved heads (https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...and-video.html), it'll be interesting to see how these cams will work with twin gt3071r turbos strapped on. I have certain expectations... ;-)
Another beehive shot. The valves have single-groove keepers that don't butt, so that connection should hold up as well.
The head castings are the fourth casting revision, manufactured some time in the early 1990's I bet.
For a number of reasons, most likely including the recession and less than stellar business acumen, the person porting my heads went out of business and closed his shop last year while in the middle of the job of porting my heads. This was a cluster-f of epic proportions, of course. There are multiple potential fail-blog entries in the saga, including lost parts, missing persons, etc. On the positive side, to my knowledge, the Mexican mafia was not involved.
Don't have your heads ported by Don Redmon!
Hence the title of this thread, The Head Case.
So that's the bad news. The good news is that Jim Morton really did me a solid. He (a) extracted the heads from a rather random location where they had ended up in because of the business failure and (b) completed the job. Furthermore, these heads look like they'll work out in the end. So a happy ending is in the horizon.
Some photos:
The valves are by Ferrea. Close to stock sizes and weights, but should be able to handle the turbo heat.
The springs are custom load beehives from PAC. The seated load is about 85 lbf and the spring rate is a bit above 300 lbf/inch. Because of the lower valvetrain mass and higher spring load, the simulations say the heads would be good for over 8000 rpm without valve float with the selected cam profile.
The cams that will be run in these heads are the S3->S4 cams with reground lobes, made by Dema Elgin and Jim Morton. Those are the same cams that are run in Dennis Kao's 5.0 screamer motor. Since Dennis Kao's engine made over 380 rwhp NA with those cams and shaved heads (https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...and-video.html), it'll be interesting to see how these cams will work with twin gt3071r turbos strapped on. I have certain expectations... ;-)
Another beehive shot. The valves have single-groove keepers that don't butt, so that connection should hold up as well.
The head castings are the fourth casting revision, manufactured some time in the early 1990's I bet.
Last edited by ptuomov; 05-14-2010 at 01:02 PM.
#3
Rennlist Member
There was a well known Porsche machine shop in Pasadena, called Precision (something I cannot remember). I dropped off my heads there one a Wednesday and was supposed to pick them up Friday. Friday morning I could not find the shop. I had only been there once before to drop off the heads so it did not suprise me that I might have to drive up and down the street a few times to find it again, but I just could not find it. Finially I noticed the wisps of smoke still coming up from the now empty lot. Glad to hear you had a better result.
#5
Can you pust some info on the retainers and keepers? They do not look stock.
#6
I can see that the exhaust ports were changed slightly. Does Jim Feel that the exhaust port needed more volume because of the increased flow from the cams? Can you state whether the intake port was enlarged or simply smoothed on transitions, etc?
#7
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
Best case this weekend.
I guess they bolted your heads on, and the engine become so powerful that it was able to move the entire building thru time, a little like this:
Stock Porsche thick gaskets, since it's the stock 100mm bore. For this engine, everything is relatively conservative, so no heroic experimentation with MLS or anything like that. Saving those mistakes for the next round!
The tiny retainers are half the trick in the beehives. The springs and retainers are mod Ford beehive springs from Peterson American Corporation with custom reset load. They are steel retainers, but since beehive allows them to be small, they are AFAIK lighter than dual spring titanium retainers.
The grinding job itself was done by Don, everything fell apart only after the heads were almost done. I think the end outcome is quite reasonable, but who knows?
There was a well known Porsche machine shop in Pasadena, called Precision (something I cannot remember). I dropped off my heads there one a Wednesday and was supposed to pick them up Friday. Friday morning I could not find the shop. I had only been there once before to drop off the heads so it did not suprise me that I might have to drive up and down the street a few times to find it again, but I just could not find it. Finially I noticed the wisps of smoke still coming up from the now empty lot. Glad to hear you had a better result.
The grinding job itself was done by Don, everything fell apart only after the heads were almost done. I think the end outcome is quite reasonable, but who knows?
Trending Topics
#8
disclaimer... I had nothing to do with the porting or chamber work on these heads. I "rescued" them for Tuomo and had my shop complete the valve job, check install heights and did the deck work.
The porting work was done by Don a while ago and I think Tuomo posted his flow results. IMHO, the porting work looks very basic and I would have concerns about the exhaust porting if this engine were going to be run normally aspirated.
The porting work was done by Don a while ago and I think Tuomo posted his flow results. IMHO, the porting work looks very basic and I would have concerns about the exhaust porting if this engine were going to be run normally aspirated.
#9
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
Jim -- Thanks for saving those heads. Indeed no good deed goes unpunished if you have now become associated with Don's porting work! ;-) Best, Tuomo
disclaimer... I had nothing to do with the porting or chamber work on these heads. I "rescued" them for Tuomo and had my shop complete the valve job, check install heights and did the deck work.
The porting work was done by Don a while ago and I think Tuomo posted his flow results. IMHO, the porting work looks very basic and I would have concerns about the exhaust porting if this engine were going to be run normally aspirated.
The porting work was done by Don a while ago and I think Tuomo posted his flow results. IMHO, the porting work looks very basic and I would have concerns about the exhaust porting if this engine were going to be run normally aspirated.
#11
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
#12
Meaning....that they are augured out too much?
#14
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter