rixter

Congratulations, many of us know the feeling
it's not a sports car, wasn't meant to be
she obviously hasn't tried to get groceries or luggage in a 911
then why sell a perfectly good 928 and pay more for a 911?
the 911 is "peppier" by design, but not as fast except in turbo version
it's not and never will be, on purpose..
I love both cars for what they are, and hate them for what they aren't
at the same time, my next Porsche purchase may very well be a 911, but it will definately not be one in the year range your wife wants, other than the 993 they're crap... no personal offense if you own one
the 928 was built as the anti-911, it has superior balance, power, handling, the interior is larger, the 928 has better hvac, the ride is nowhere as rough, if you are even moderately mechanically inclined the support here and the overall 928 community allows you to do pretty much anything on your car (I never hear the 911 guys planning a rear main seal party), and you don't need a computer every time the car decides to have a bad day
I personally would keep the 928... and get the wife a toy of her own
just my .02

Daniel Dudley

Goes both ways. Do you ?

The_Remora

Just buy her a new vibrator and keep it in the glove box of the 928 ... then when ever she starts thinking about a convertible...

Kevin Michael

Why do people keep saying the 928 is not a sports car? !!! In the british car world maybe not, but is a Lambo or Ferarri also not a sports car? Didn't the one's who designed it and built it not name it as such? An Aston or Merc or a bmw is a GT car. The Panamera is a GT. Is this where the 928 fits? I don't believe so. I drove one of my 911's today and it felt great. 79 w/ 3ltr. fully race built, ssi's to an m&k sport muffler sounds like a mix between a 928 and a hyabusa. Sweet. I'll drive the 928 tomorrow as it will be the last time as I am ready to install the turbo set up.

RKD in OKC

Yes Kevin, the 928 is considered a GT, or Grand Touring. Which means City A to City B as fast AND as comfortable as possible. A sports car generally means quick and fast, but not necessarily comfort.

That being said, it is my understanding that when Porsche Engineers set out on Project 928, the idea was to build what they considered at the time the ultimate car.

cobalt

Sorry not true my 964 C2 is just as fast and will handle as well or better than most any 928 especially in very tight courses. I have proven it so many times now. The only 928 that has out performed me on the track was a fully prepped race car and boy did that baby move but there is no way it could have ever been driven on the street. The 928 is a great handling car but not as good as either of my 964's C2 or turbo, the turbo leaves it so far behind it is unreal. The steering is just no where near as precise or as smooth as a 911 and the weight is a clear detriment, the back end also becomes unstable and hops around with even the slightest bit of road surface irregularity. My C2 will keep up with 928's that weigh the same and have considerably more hp and torque with similar suspension upgrades. It has time and time again. Although the 928 pulls like a GT3 in the straights it is not as nimble in the turns.


I disagree about all 911's being crap other than the 993. IMO the 993 has nothing over a 964 except the kinematic rear suspension which is only noticeable for street driving and does little to improve handling. It is also a problem to set up properly and most shops can't get it right. For almost the same $$ as a nice GT you can pick up a 964 which is both reliable and a blast to drive.

I agree and it is IMO the ultimate GT even to this day.

VehiGAZ

Alas, no - she seems to have become an Audi girl. She is hell of a lot of fun though!

namasgt

Im a big fan of 911s, never sat in one but I love them. I drive a 66 VW bug, and thats as close as I can get to one of these things right now. Dont get me wrong, Im not saying that 911 is an ultimate VW, but in my opinion the 911 is everything that my VW is not. I hope to get a 911 Turbo in the future.

oh and its stupid to compare the 911 to a 928, its just wrong. Tell your wife this is your dream car and you love it, and she can have her own 911 if thats financially possible.

cobalt

I don't get insulted when people compare the 911 with the VW. the VW's were fun like my 914 which was a blast to drive. Underpowered but there are some amazingly nice VW bugs out there. You can never go wrong with a 911 turbo especially the 964. Total thrill ride adrenaline rush and a blast in the straights or turns. It is such an amazing machine. Totally different than a 928 but equally as nice. The 928 is such a wonderful car to cruise in and I could never take that way from it. Something the 911 is not designed for.

The one thing that the 928 has going for it that triumphs over the 911 is that you can cruise all day long in it and walk away relaxed or romp on it and have as much excitement and fun as a 911. The 911 is missing the long term comfort part but the 911 has the market on adrenaline rush.

namasgt

how does the 964 compare to the 97 turbo ? I love all the turbo looks, but if I had to choose and had the money which one should I get?
I was originally thinking to get a 88 turbo.

worf928

A bit OT, since I won't be bashing a 911 or a 928 or anything else.

Anthony, I can't comment on the "versus your 911" feel. But, if you feel that your GTS isn't precise or smooth then it might benefit from replacement of some suspension bits. I've driven some very low mile "garage queen bubble cars" and the difference between them and any "driver" 928 in precision and vibration is stunning.

Not just Anthony, but everybody out there. If your 928 has a 100k miles on it - or has a bunch of vibration that your 5-year old Honda doesn't - you will simply not believe the difference between your 928 and a 928 with new wheel bearings on all four corners, new tie rods, new lower ball joints, a good tight steering rack, and a good alignment.

That just ain't right. Sounds almost like yours is too stiff in the back or something. What are you running for shocks and springs?

cobalt

Not to get too off topic, but I was torn between the 97 and the 94. For me it was combination of things. I find the 94 turbo to be the ultimate 911 although the new GT cars are outstanding there is nothing like the raw feel, looks and bulging hips of the 94. It thrills the senses more than any car I have driven. The single turbo is a blast and I am a huge fan of RWD cars vs the AWD. The 97 has the advantage of EFI twin turbo but IMO is way to civilized for a sports car and i would only own one if I converted it to rwd.

My preferences for turbocharged 911's would be a 993 GT2 EVO built to full EVO spec followed by the 94 turbo S package car, the 94 turbo then 97 Turbo S converted to RWD, the 993TT converted to RWD and last but not least the 930.

cobalt

I appreciate the comment and I agree with you. This goes for 911's as well. A bad 911 is worse than a bad 928 IMO.

My GTS is quite sound with 63k miles. I recently checked all the seals in the rack and it is IMO correct for the car. I don't feel my car is not precise I feel the 911 is more direct in this area as it was designed to be. The 911 to those that have never driven one will feel very light in the front along with the steering. I am not saying the 928 is deficient i hope I am not coming across that way, it is hard to praise both and still point out the subtle nuances. The 928 is a far heavier feel as we have discussed many times and it will do what is needed. Turn in is quite different and I find you need to work a little more with the 928 to achieve similar results. IMO this is part of the design and is required to make it so comfortable at speed. It is something you would never even notice unless you jump from one car to the next. I always found when I climbed out of my 928 into my 944 S2 or the other way around it was even more apparent.

I want to sing praise for both because as you know i feel both are A1 machines. IMO based on my good fortune and ability to climb out of one into the other this is what I have observed. I Will never think less of one or more of the other just that one excels ever so slightly this way and the other in another way this from my understanding is in their design.

When it boils down to it taking any of these cars to their limits requires a very skilled driver and as Walter Rohrl has proven a 195 hp 911 can outperform a GT3 when the right driver is behind the wheel. I don't claim to be skilled enough to be gospel since nobody will pay me to drive for them. Although I try to be as honest and unbiased in my responses and do not favor one over the other but point out their strengths for what they are. So If i say one is stronger in this area it doesn't mean that the other falls short.

I hope this makes sense.

PS I am running stock sport springs and bilstein shocks. This was sold to me by 928 Specialists and was far more compliant than the factory sport shocks which were shot when removed. I have had experienced 928 mechanics drive it and they never commented on anything being amiss. In fact it was more the contrary of how nice it felt.

that comment was also based on romping on it hard. Under normal driving conditions it is well planted and quite stable. A lot of the back end has t do with tire slippage and weight bias. the 911 has the advantage of the rear weight which keeps this under control.

dprantl

A stock 928 is hopelessly under-tired for its weight. You would need at least 265 tires on all four corners to be able to keep up with lighter cars around turns on a track/autocross when taking the driver out of the equation.

Dan
'91 928GT S/C 475hp/460lb.ft

cobalt

I agree with you Porsche under tired all their cars of this vintage. I also feel they under dampened and over muffled them. They have come a long way since.

I found the best setup I tried on my GTS in 17" wheels is 8 & 9 Cup 1's with a 235/275 tire. Adds grip without loosing comfort especially the R compounds. I tried my 235/295 8 & 10's x 18's on it and it did nothing to improve traction and only made the ride harsh in comparison. I am sure a 245 or 255 up front would help but that goes for the other cars too.