How would you build a 1000 hp 928 motor.
06-09-2009 | 12:22 AM
#31
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Here is what over 1000hp feels like on the track. Its not that crazy. 555ci doesnt hurt does it?
Here is the home page, and the video link is about mid page (laguna seca)
http://www.robisonracing.com/home.html
the actual media file:
http://www.robisonracing.com/images/...aguna_Seca.wmv
Here is the home page, and the video link is about mid page (laguna seca)
http://www.robisonracing.com/home.html
the actual media file:
http://www.robisonracing.com/images/...aguna_Seca.wmv
06-09-2009 | 12:25 AM
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Here is what over 1000hp feels like on the track. Its not that crazy. 555ci doesnt hurt does it?
Here is the home page, and the video link is about mid page (laguna seca)
http://www.robisonracing.com/home.html
the actual media file:
http://www.robisonracing.com/images/...aguna_Seca.wmv
Here is the home page, and the video link is about mid page (laguna seca)
http://www.robisonracing.com/home.html
the actual media file:
http://www.robisonracing.com/images/...aguna_Seca.wmv
It looks like he ran about a 1:29-30...which is about 1 second faster than Anderson with "only" 600hp?
06-09-2009 | 12:26 AM
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So why not run max 3 psi and 400 hp on the first gear, max 7 psi and 500 hp on the second gear, max 12 psi and 600 hp on the third, and then max whatever on the fourth and fifth gear? Furthermore, use electronic boost control to flatten the torque curve such that max torque is 300 ft-lbf on the first, 400 ft-lbf on the second, and 500 ft-lbf on the third. This would both be more drivable and faster than a 1000 ft-lbf at 3000 rpm on the first gear brute.
I made up the numbers, but you get the point. Come up with a fast and drivable car, and if it happens to have 1000 hp and 230 mph top speed on the top gear so be it. What's wrong with this approach?
I made up the numbers, but you get the point. Come up with a fast and drivable car, and if it happens to have 1000 hp and 230 mph top speed on the top gear so be it. What's wrong with this approach?
Well I'm actually serious about this-
What I said makes more sense than a 1000 hp engine on the street. Have you ever "driven" one? I have. I ruined one of my z06's with a complete, stroked, twin-turbo'd, intercooled build. I mean "ruined" because at 800hp the car literally becomes "undrivable." It's no fun, it's "work." You can't do any of the fun things you used to, like PUNCH the gas! Corners become "scary." You never know what's going to happen while the car is idling longer than a few minutes (Ever been to "California????????") 1000 hp looks like a lot of fun in the pictures. It even sounds good when you hear it or say it. But the truth most won't tell because of all the aftermarket "quest for power" propaganda technique is the lines cross somewhere.
It's simple physics.
And speaking of physics, think of all the centrifugal force that will be on the crank bearings during a G pulling corner! Parts wear at least 1000 times faster and harder. The block would not be safe to use after only one year from stress.
More physics, no street legal road tire could keep the consistent heat it would require to keep it from spinning out at every stop light, drive through window, inside parking lots, (it gets embarrassing.)
I know you aren't necessarily asking for daily driver, but 1000 hp makes a car driveable, period.
I thought this was just a problem with MY car until I drove a few other guys cars with a 1000 hp. (If you own a "1000up hp" car, your instantly in a clique of others who are "only" qualified drive another guys 1000hp car, silly.)
I thought surely a 1000hp supra with all wheel drive would be able to grip better than mine and it would be like driving a roller coaster around town. Nope. 100k dollar car overheats twice, burns clutches, and breaks half shaft. ALL IN 12 MILES.
1000hp 911 awd drive was slightly better but owner (collector) was afraid to let engine run longer than a few minutes! He just has it on a small platform and starts it at parties as some type of amusement attraction...
So, I'm sorry if I came off rude in way ??? I just didn't want to rain on anyone's parade, because by the looks of your car and your home, that "plan of action" you speak of may come sooner, than later!
For me, super digit horsepower has become a deterioration of a road registered vehicle. I made some pretty good points right?
In my learned experience I say 550 is the perfect number, for this car. Does anyone with a super high HP 928 agree or disagree, because my answer is just my guess/opinion
What I said makes more sense than a 1000 hp engine on the street. Have you ever "driven" one? I have. I ruined one of my z06's with a complete, stroked, twin-turbo'd, intercooled build. I mean "ruined" because at 800hp the car literally becomes "undrivable." It's no fun, it's "work." You can't do any of the fun things you used to, like PUNCH the gas! Corners become "scary." You never know what's going to happen while the car is idling longer than a few minutes (Ever been to "California????????") 1000 hp looks like a lot of fun in the pictures. It even sounds good when you hear it or say it. But the truth most won't tell because of all the aftermarket "quest for power" propaganda technique is the lines cross somewhere.
It's simple physics.
And speaking of physics, think of all the centrifugal force that will be on the crank bearings during a G pulling corner! Parts wear at least 1000 times faster and harder. The block would not be safe to use after only one year from stress.
More physics, no street legal road tire could keep the consistent heat it would require to keep it from spinning out at every stop light, drive through window, inside parking lots, (it gets embarrassing.)
I know you aren't necessarily asking for daily driver, but 1000 hp makes a car driveable, period.
I thought this was just a problem with MY car until I drove a few other guys cars with a 1000 hp. (If you own a "1000up hp" car, your instantly in a clique of others who are "only" qualified drive another guys 1000hp car, silly.)
I thought surely a 1000hp supra with all wheel drive would be able to grip better than mine and it would be like driving a roller coaster around town. Nope. 100k dollar car overheats twice, burns clutches, and breaks half shaft. ALL IN 12 MILES.
1000hp 911 awd drive was slightly better but owner (collector) was afraid to let engine run longer than a few minutes! He just has it on a small platform and starts it at parties as some type of amusement attraction...
So, I'm sorry if I came off rude in way ??? I just didn't want to rain on anyone's parade, because by the looks of your car and your home, that "plan of action" you speak of may come sooner, than later!
For me, super digit horsepower has become a deterioration of a road registered vehicle. I made some pretty good points right?
In my learned experience I say 550 is the perfect number, for this car. Does anyone with a super high HP 928 agree or disagree, because my answer is just my guess/opinion
06-09-2009 | 12:34 AM
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I'd rather give up speeds over 150mph for more acceleration down low. How about new gears with 700hp as a compromise that costs less and lasts longer?
First thing your 1/4 mile guys do is swap rear ends for a 411 or higher gear.
As for safety with detonation, meth injection is pretty easy and adds a huge safety buffer.
First thing your 1/4 mile guys do is swap rear ends for a 411 or higher gear.
As for safety with detonation, meth injection is pretty easy and adds a huge safety buffer.
06-09-2009 | 12:49 AM
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I'd rather give up speeds over 150mph for more acceleration down low. How about new gears with 700hp as a compromise that costs less and lasts longer?
First thing your 1/4 mile guys do is swap rear ends for a 411 or higher gear.
As for safety with detonation, meth injection is pretty easy and adds a huge safety buffer.
First thing your 1/4 mile guys do is swap rear ends for a 411 or higher gear.
As for safety with detonation, meth injection is pretty easy and adds a huge safety buffer.
06-09-2009 | 01:14 AM
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Well I'm actually serious about this-
What I said makes more sense than a 1000 hp engine on the street. Have you ever "driven" one? I have. I ruined one of my z06's with a complete, stroked, twin-turbo'd, intercooled build. I mean "ruined" because at 800hp the car literally becomes "undrivable." It's no fun, it's "work." You can't do any of the fun things you used to, like PUNCH the gas! Corners become "scary." You never know what's going to happen while the car is idling longer than a few minutes (Ever been to "California????????") 1000 hp looks like a lot of fun in the pictures. It even sounds good when you hear it or say it. But the truth most won't tell because of all the aftermarket "quest for power" propaganda technique is the lines cross somewhere.
It's simple physics.
And speaking of physics, think of all the centrifugal force that will be on the crank bearings during a G pulling corner! Parts wear at least 1000 times faster and harder. The block would not be safe to use after only one year from stress.
More physics, no street legal road tire could keep the consistent heat it would require to keep it from spinning out at every stop light, drive through window, inside parking lots, (it gets embarrassing.)
I know you aren't necessarily asking for daily driver, but 1000 hp makes a car driveable, period.
I thought this was just a problem with MY car until I drove a few other guys cars with a 1000 hp. (If you own a "1000up hp" car, your instantly in a clique of others who are "only" qualified drive another guys 1000hp car, silly.)
I thought surely a 1000hp supra with all wheel drive would be able to grip better than mine and it would be like driving a roller coaster around town. Nope. 100k dollar car overheats twice, burns clutches, and breaks half shaft. ALL IN 12 MILES.
1000hp 911 awd drive was slightly better but owner (collector) was afraid to let engine run longer than a few minutes! He just has it on a small platform and starts it at parties as some type of amusement attraction...
So, I'm sorry if I came off rude in way ??? I just didn't want to rain on anyone's parade, because by the looks of your car and your home, that "plan of action" you speak of may come sooner, than later!
For me, super digit horsepower has become a deterioration of a road registered vehicle. I made some pretty good points right?
In my learned experience I say 550 is the perfect number, for this car. Does anyone with a super high HP 928 agree or disagree, because my answer is just my guess/opinion
What I said makes more sense than a 1000 hp engine on the street. Have you ever "driven" one? I have. I ruined one of my z06's with a complete, stroked, twin-turbo'd, intercooled build. I mean "ruined" because at 800hp the car literally becomes "undrivable." It's no fun, it's "work." You can't do any of the fun things you used to, like PUNCH the gas! Corners become "scary." You never know what's going to happen while the car is idling longer than a few minutes (Ever been to "California????????") 1000 hp looks like a lot of fun in the pictures. It even sounds good when you hear it or say it. But the truth most won't tell because of all the aftermarket "quest for power" propaganda technique is the lines cross somewhere.
It's simple physics.
And speaking of physics, think of all the centrifugal force that will be on the crank bearings during a G pulling corner! Parts wear at least 1000 times faster and harder. The block would not be safe to use after only one year from stress.
More physics, no street legal road tire could keep the consistent heat it would require to keep it from spinning out at every stop light, drive through window, inside parking lots, (it gets embarrassing.)
I know you aren't necessarily asking for daily driver, but 1000 hp makes a car driveable, period.
I thought this was just a problem with MY car until I drove a few other guys cars with a 1000 hp. (If you own a "1000up hp" car, your instantly in a clique of others who are "only" qualified drive another guys 1000hp car, silly.)
I thought surely a 1000hp supra with all wheel drive would be able to grip better than mine and it would be like driving a roller coaster around town. Nope. 100k dollar car overheats twice, burns clutches, and breaks half shaft. ALL IN 12 MILES.
1000hp 911 awd drive was slightly better but owner (collector) was afraid to let engine run longer than a few minutes! He just has it on a small platform and starts it at parties as some type of amusement attraction...
So, I'm sorry if I came off rude in way ??? I just didn't want to rain on anyone's parade, because by the looks of your car and your home, that "plan of action" you speak of may come sooner, than later!
For me, super digit horsepower has become a deterioration of a road registered vehicle. I made some pretty good points right?
In my learned experience I say 550 is the perfect number, for this car. Does anyone with a super high HP 928 agree or disagree, because my answer is just my guess/opinion
06-09-2009 | 02:17 AM
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06-09-2009 | 02:21 AM
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You are talking about other cars. you want a 4.11 ratio, leave your car in 3rd and there is you 4.5:1. . Oh you have 2 gears below that, same as most american iron. Lets not turn this into a gear discussion, but look at the ratios as total ratios, not "4.11".
If you are talking, new gears like stronger gears Im with you.
You wont need a close ratio gear box and a big 928 engine to get the most out of it. 700hp or 1000hp.
Gears as they are:
1st 50mph
2nd 80mph
3rd 118mph
4th 154mph
With 1000hp, these gears would be pretty ideal. with a flat hp curve, you could have 1000hp at all speeds.
Launch would be tricky, but after 50mph, you could put the hammer down, no problem with DOT rubber.
. Oh you have 2 gears below that, same as most american iron. Lets not turn this into a gear discussion, but look at the ratios as total ratios, not "4.11". If you are talking, new gears like stronger gears Im with you.
You wont need a close ratio gear box and a big 928 engine to get the most out of it. 700hp or 1000hp.
Gears as they are:
1st 50mph
2nd 80mph
3rd 118mph
4th 154mph
With 1000hp, these gears would be pretty ideal. with a flat hp curve, you could have 1000hp at all speeds.
Launch would be tricky, but after 50mph, you could put the hammer down, no problem with DOT rubber.
I'd rather give up speeds over 150mph for more acceleration down low. How about new gears with 700hp as a compromise that costs less and lasts longer?
First thing your 1/4 mile guys do is swap rear ends for a 411 or higher gear.
As for safety with detonation, meth injection is pretty easy and adds a huge safety buffer.
First thing your 1/4 mile guys do is swap rear ends for a 411 or higher gear.
As for safety with detonation, meth injection is pretty easy and adds a huge safety buffer.
06-09-2009 | 02:31 AM
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