Difference between auto and manual
Three Wheelin'
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Uh..... It seems that people who like to hold their stick a lot are dominating this thread. What they do not understand is that while they are playing with their stick, those of us who have rogerboxes are already taking things to the next level. We can keep on going and going and going without having to touch our stick. So..... If you like touching and holding your stick, get a 5 speed. If you want to last a long time without working alot, be a real man and get an AT. Real women do not like men who are playing with their stick all the time......... they would rather go for a ride with someone who can perform continuously; not just short jerky spurts. Just sayin. 
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From: Sweden, Norway and Beyond
But seriously...
No 928 with an autobox will out perform one with a stick!
If the stick handler (******) can operate his equipment properly!)))
Its not very hard to change gears manually at the right rpm.
Just takes some concentration and practice..!
A S4 manual takes 5,9s to 60...
A S4 auto takes 6,3s to 60...
How can the "autofiles" beat those numbers..?
Supercharge perhaps..?))))
No 928 with an autobox will out perform one with a stick!
If the stick handler (******) can operate his equipment properly!)))
Its not very hard to change gears manually at the right rpm.
Just takes some concentration and practice..!
A S4 manual takes 5,9s to 60...
A S4 auto takes 6,3s to 60...
How can the "autofiles" beat those numbers..?
Supercharge perhaps..?))))
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From: Drums, Pennsylvania
Most of my cars have had manual transmissions. With the 928, I "wanted" a manual, but didn't want to pay the premium. Ultimately, I rationalized it as that I intend to supercharge it anyway, and I heard that the automatics hold up better...
I did think about the idea of a "pure" GT car, and conceded than an automatic tranny fits my personal definition of one. I don't look at 928's as "sports cars" at all. I love the concept of a GT, as currently, that's the best choice for my driving needs. If I'm going anywhere, it's most likely involving highways, and usually 2-3 hour trips...
A little before the 928, I bought a beater Maserati Biturbo Spyder. (another "GT") In its year (1986), it was ONLY available with an automatic transmission. In reading into it, the consensus of the Biturbo crowd was that the auto performed very close to the 5 speed, because the automatic "keeps the turbos spooled up between shifts..."
I recall the "Vector" supercar was ONLY available with an automatic. Today, most of the upper end cars have paddle shifters, it seems.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_Motors
I'm curious if there are any turbocharged 928's, with different transmissions that have been compared?
With supercharging, it shouldn't matter at all, but they have a point with the turbos, it seems...
Nick - 928S4 - Got it started today - Wheeeeeeeeeeee.... : )
I did think about the idea of a "pure" GT car, and conceded than an automatic tranny fits my personal definition of one. I don't look at 928's as "sports cars" at all. I love the concept of a GT, as currently, that's the best choice for my driving needs. If I'm going anywhere, it's most likely involving highways, and usually 2-3 hour trips...
A little before the 928, I bought a beater Maserati Biturbo Spyder. (another "GT") In its year (1986), it was ONLY available with an automatic transmission. In reading into it, the consensus of the Biturbo crowd was that the auto performed very close to the 5 speed, because the automatic "keeps the turbos spooled up between shifts..."
I recall the "Vector" supercar was ONLY available with an automatic. Today, most of the upper end cars have paddle shifters, it seems.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_Motors
I'm curious if there are any turbocharged 928's, with different transmissions that have been compared?
With supercharging, it shouldn't matter at all, but they have a point with the turbos, it seems...
Nick - 928S4 - Got it started today - Wheeeeeeeeeeee.... : )
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Catfood,
To prevent the mid-turn downshifts under power you need to disconnect the kickdown switch and rely on manually shifting the gears. I've had mine disconnected for years without any issues. While in drive the car will still downshift from just throttle position, but it's sluggish. Since I manually shift my A/T on the street all the time anyway, automatic shifting isn't really an issue. Not having to worry about the tranny shifting automatically on the track is definitely gives peace of mind.
To prevent the mid-turn downshifts under power you need to disconnect the kickdown switch and rely on manually shifting the gears. I've had mine disconnected for years without any issues. While in drive the car will still downshift from just throttle position, but it's sluggish. Since I manually shift my A/T on the street all the time anyway, automatic shifting isn't really an issue. Not having to worry about the tranny shifting automatically on the track is definitely gives peace of mind.
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Although, as Roger said, the automatic is far superior, the people who own 928s with the old style manual transmission feel obligated to try to rationalize their mistake with all kinds of silly stuff like you get an extra pedal for free, grinding gears makes them work better, it's fun to say "shifter ball cup" at parties, changing the clutch blue hose is loads of fun, and Einstein's general theory of relativity is a simplified subset of the instructions for adjusting the dual disc clutch.
Seriously, properly set up, both types of trannies are pretty nice. Many people cannot wrap there heads around the thought of a sports car without a manual tranny, even though the racing world already has. Just be aware that the 928 automatic is sturdy, reliable and capable of sporty performance. I like manual transmissions too, but I have not been disappointed by my autobox. I decided to buy the best example I could find within my budget and it just happened to be an automatic.
Seriously, properly set up, both types of trannies are pretty nice. Many people cannot wrap there heads around the thought of a sports car without a manual tranny, even though the racing world already has. Just be aware that the 928 automatic is sturdy, reliable and capable of sporty performance. I like manual transmissions too, but I have not been disappointed by my autobox. I decided to buy the best example I could find within my budget and it just happened to be an automatic.
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On german Autobahn the automatictransmission has a hole in the steps between 3 and 4.On fast trips on the Autobahn >190 km/h i prefer the 5 speed over the auto.Especially if the auto is equipped with a long diff.
The perfect 5 speed is the GT.Every gearshift follows the other at the right point on the torquecurve.
In the city like Hamburg I prefer the auto.It´s easy cruising.Here´s driving the 5speed hard work.Stop and go in a 5 speed is a good workout for the left leg!
The perfect 5 speed is the GT.Every gearshift follows the other at the right point on the torquecurve.
In the city like Hamburg I prefer the auto.It´s easy cruising.Here´s driving the 5speed hard work.Stop and go in a 5 speed is a good workout for the left leg!
Intermediate
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From: Philadelphia, PA
We had a 5-speed and it was a blast to drive. My personal thoughts are if you are buying a sports car (if that is what you bought it for) then a 5-speed is a must. If you bought it as anything else then I guess I would consider the automatic. To me personally there is nothing like hearing a V-8 going through the gears. The best clip of this is from Weird Science the movie at the mall. It was so real to me when we had ours.
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Ahh the 5spd vs Rogerbox debate. Seems this subject comes up every month or two and results are always the same.
I've driven both and prefer the 5spd.
If you want to use it as a DD I can see where a rogerbox would come in handy.
I've driven both and prefer the 5spd.
If you want to use it as a DD I can see where a rogerbox would come in handy.
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I prefer a manual in all things automotive. I'm not going to sit here and tell you it's always faster or always better or always more reliable, but it's what I prefer. The 928 is a great car, and I'm sure the rogerboxes are just as good as the 5-speed, and vice versa. For me it is a no brainer to go with the 5-speed, but that's because I don't like driving anything automatic. Just get what you will be most happy with.
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I've owned/own multiple of both.. I've grown very fond of the Rogerbox, I can shift faster than the 5spd and right about as fast as my 968 tip, and I definately do 0-60 faster than 6.3
long term I'll keep my autos, bad knees and traffic take their toll
for those who don't like the long shift of the manual, I suggest you put in a short shift kit...it makes a world of difference...
long term I'll keep my autos, bad knees and traffic take their toll
for those who don't like the long shift of the manual, I suggest you put in a short shift kit...it makes a world of difference...
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Torque converters irritate me. Grabbing higher gears at the first sign of light throttle irritates me. Lack of engine braking irritates me. That pause while waiting for a downshift instead of instant acceleration irritates me. Being irritated irritates me. I bought a manual.
Three Wheelin'
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Is there a "3-mississippi" rule in changing gears on a 5-speed?
I'm not seeing the slow shift times. I tap the clutch and slam the stick. Whoala. Very quick. Synchros had been replaced right before I bought the car and I know that helps.
I like being able to hold any gear I want, suiting the engine to driving conditions. If I wanted a boring auto...I'd get a Merc or a Caddy.
I'm not seeing the slow shift times. I tap the clutch and slam the stick. Whoala. Very quick. Synchros had been replaced right before I bought the car and I know that helps.
I like being able to hold any gear I want, suiting the engine to driving conditions. If I wanted a boring auto...I'd get a Merc or a Caddy.