H2

My friend's Uzi nor his HK MP-5 will fit in the door panels. Tried it. It's a little bulky but they will kinda sort fit OK on the underdash tray. Most semi-auto and double action pistols will fit in the door panel slots...even the Ruger Blackhawk will fit (tight) but I'd suggest a soft case to keep noise and bluing wear down.

It's hard, however, to hang a rifle in a rear window rack though. Best to just use a scabbord in the rear seat. I did however, once haul a small cannon in the rear seat. BTW, anyone want to buy a blackpowder cannon that barely fits into a 928? It shoots a ball about the size of my left nuT (i.e., large).

Don't shoot yourself in the foot.

H2

SeanR

I'd go with a Glock 21, but I like '45's.

fst951

It isn't always an issue of size and firepower....yeah right. If you can shoot well enough there is no reason to carry a small caliber. With todays light weight body armor you may really want to consider a fast and large caliber weapon like a 10mm pistol. All you old .45 guys don't get your panties in a bunch, but that round has been left in the dust by the 10mm. The only downside to the 10mm is cost and the potential for bystander damage from over penetration. The Glock 29 carries a tremendous amount of firepower for the size of the gun. Upgrade the recoil spring and use Double Tap ammo and nothing is better. All the old special units in the navy and army have re-evaluated their carrying of the 9mm and .45. The problem is most of the good sub-guns that they travel with use 9mm or .40cal.

Go shoot a few guns and I bet if you try out the Glock 29, you won't go back. A little work to it for about $300 more dollars and you have combat ready fine fighting gun. The 20 is great as well, just a little big for concealment. Make sure to use the 15 round mags with the extrended finger grip on the 29. If you shoot and compact .45 and are willing to give up your gun, just try out a nicely decked 29 compact. You will sell all your .45 equipment and only buy the 10mm from then on I bet.

Choose what you like, but when you really need it, more firepower is better. Another option is the FN super small caliber pistons that are made specifically to defeat body armor. They, however don't have the stopping power of a larger caliber, but the person will certainly not survive 10 minutes after the shot, but they may keep coming in the meantime.

Shoot them all and keep what you feel comfortable with, but don't overlook the 10mm made by any major manufacturer.

Just my opinion.

daveo90s4

I think I'll keep well clear of SITM this year - all sounds too dangerous. One wrong look, one wrong word, one dirty finger print too many on someone's nice paintwork, and BOOM!!!

sendarius

I suspect that DaveO's post was in jest, but just in case - it has been clearly demonstrated by the statistics of "negative encounters with law enforcement" that the CCW crowd are more polite, less violent, and less aggressive than the non-CCW crowd.

I would be delighted and honoured to associate with the SITM crowd - and a whole lot safer than I would be in any of the"victim rich environments" that I hear of.

F4GIB

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928fan4life

Ah yes, this is where I think I wish I was living in texas! I love guns and have quite a few of my own. I am looking at getting a hand gun as well shortly, either a s&w or ruger. The gun laws up here are just stupid. I just don't get it that if you shoot an intruder that is in your house, you are the one that can go to jail! So *** backwards. Oh, and don't get me started on that couple of billion dollar waste of money gun registry, http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2004/02...rdi040213.html Also, I am guessing that the USA has more gun crimes since the population of canada is the equivalent to around that of california I believe.

928fan4life

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Colin Emerson

Sure but on a per capita basis the US is way out of whack compared to other countries. The US has roughly 10 the population of Canada, so on a per capita basis they should have roughly 10X the gun related deaths. Now I don't know what the current numbers are for either country, but from the study over 10 years ago the US had roughly 75X more gun related deaths. Also I am sure California has many,many more times gun deaths than all of Canada.

I truly believe you should have a right to defend yourself with deadly force if someone breaks into your house. Too many people running around with guns has been proven to not prevent deaths but increase them.

A sobering thought: More people will be killed this year(and every year) in the US by guns than all of the military personnel killed in Iraq over a period of time much longer.

I am not against guns, just too many people running around with them doing stupid things.

aggravation

Yes, and I'm sure you can find California has proportionately many more times the number of urban gangsta's living in neighborhoods that are the product of really bad social engineering brought on and supported by politicians that need a victim class voter pool to maintain their power in office.
Try filtering out the numbers from those areas to the crime statistics and you'll find the U.S. isn't much different than other western cultures...

When the U.S. congressman who represents the Watts district of Los Angeles says, in all sincerity, that young black men shouldn't be jailed for dealing crack cocaine because it's the only way the white man allowed them to earn a living we have a serious problem but it isn't a gun problem

MGW-Fla

You really need to come and live here for a while before you start telling us how we should be living here. Then you might change your thoughts on this instead of the PR crap they tell you up there as to why not allowing the public to have the right to defend themselves is the better way to go. Live here a while & you'll see why the crooks knowing that victim might be packing does make them think twice. And for those who don't, it does help save innocent people's lives when they do encounter a situation like the one Paul had. Its just the media won't report those situations, only the negative ones. Ask most cops off the record, & they'll tell you their opinion of it supports a public packing to defend themself. The day the US of A goes the route of banning gun ownership as other countries have done is the day we will see the every day citizen here stand up & be heard.

F4GIB

Facts always help a debate.

Homicide and the Prevalence of Handguns: Canada and the United States, 1976 to 1980
Brandon S. Centerwall
American Journal of Epidemiology Vol. 134, No. 11: 1245-1260
From the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, University of Washington Seattle, WA

928fan4life

I also find that many people I speak to about guns (up here) always end up quoting or getting "facts" from a Michael Moore film. As soon as someone does that I just walk away.

With regards to the 928, I would like to get some kind of holder made in the trunk area where I can put my rifles or shotguns when I goto the range.

H2

Granted, the 10mm is a really hot round (do you get split cases from time to time?) however, I thought most cop shops used 40 cal? Just about as powerful with fewer issues.

Either caliber is now preferred by most to the .45. Very few cop shops use, or even allow anything but the new standard.

H2

Fogey1

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