Amen.

I lived for four years on a particular block of Oakland, California that had the distinction of having the highest murder rate in the state consistently. I also carried an 870 with me when I crossed the street to go to my garage or when I collected rent from my "socially disadvantaged" tenants. There were not many people older than 30 living there, for obvious reasons: they didn't expect to live past 30. I have used my 870 to dissuade burglars from entering my residence WHILE I WAS IN IT SLEEPING, because around there you sleep lightly. I have also used it to stop a convicted murderer who, just hours earlier beat his unborn child to death while it was still in the womb of his "girlfriend", from trying to kill me. The police got to him just before he got a load of buckshot in his face. They told me to leave my door unlocked next time so the goon could walk into the house before I shot him. They didn't like responding in that neighborhood, I guess. In another neighborhood in San Francisco, I have slept with my 870 by my side while a police officer guarded the door to my office so I could get three hours sleep each night in an area where the tenants had already burned the manager's office.

Now you guys in Canada have a nice country, from the little I have seen of it. Whistler and Vancouver are first rate destinations, Mont Tremblant and Montreal are also very nice. But today's world is not some La La Fantasyland populated by good fairies. I have personally cleaned up the entire body contents of a drug dealer's circulatory system on my front doorstep; he cheated someone and paid the price by having his throat cut. You guys want to paint a fairytail picture of life as you wish it would be. I will spill graffiti from the REAL world all over that to bring you back to reality. I know guys that would slice your throat for looking at them the "wrong" way, and they would do it in a church during Easter services. Are you going to tell them it's not nice to treat people that way???Ha! Ha! Ha! Where shall we ship what's left of your body? My advice to you and your gun laws: (as trite as this is) better be judged by twelve than carried by six. Get real man. I would not be walking the streets today if not for my 870 and the pistols of several police officers I know.

As for our LEO's opinion, in the near future, our Supreme Court will vote on DC's gun ban. A majority of state's Attorneys General have filed briefs with the Court in favor of a ruling against that ban, and I'm told, they have been joined by a majority of Chiefs of Police. You see, Canadians, when the cops have honest citizens armed and proficient in the use of those arms, those citizens can back the cops up. Disarm the populace and the cops are alone out there.
What?? Are they sacrificial lambs? Why should they put themselves in front of a fairy who won't even try to defend themself?

As for defending yourself: you don't think you have a right to defend your life or property on this Earth? You think God intended to create creatures such as those? Stay away from me and my friends if you do. As stated above, I have nothing against Canadians and enjoyed my time there, but I felt awfully uncomfortable about leaving my gun at the border.

 

Both my S&W model 59 9mm, and my Taurus pt-111 fit in the door panel fine. My Tarus will also fit shoved in between the pass seat and the console, the S&W is a bit too fat for that.

I have carried a weapon in the door panel for five years, and did not notice any problems with the panel when I removed it to fix the door lock cyl. What exactly is supposed to wear out from the extra weight?

 

Too bad this thing degenerated into a gun control debate. It was kind of fun and interesting when it started.

Oh well....

Paul

 

Well, to get back on track, I hear you are thinking of offering an under-seat holster for the 928. true?

 

OK, well here is another "shotgun" (http://www.teelgun.com/shotgun%20pistol.htm)candidate for the side door pocket, though that would violate the in-plain-sight laws in California:

 

Sorry I am late to this party...

Since we are talking 928's here, shouldn't we be looking at fine German (or Austrian) engineering when it comes to our carry weapons too???

How about the H&K P7M8 or M10 if you prefer, or M13... They are AWESOME! If you have not shot one and don't have about $1800 to blow on a pistol then don't pick one up, because you WILL WANT IT!!!

How about SIG??? VERY NICE, very accurate!

As for caliber I don't own it nor have I shot it but I have heard good things about the 357 SIG round! Can shoot through windshields and still kill! Not a bad thing sometimes!

As for true point and click weapons the Thunder 5 is pretty hard to beat! 5 .410 rounds at your finger tips! YEA BABY!

Of course I would prefer to carry an MP5, but they are a little to large to fit in the door pocket and to hard to conceal! LOL!

James
Austin, TX

 

I was thinking about the front of the driver's seat. That part is fairly flat and slopes inward, which would keep the gun out of sight.
I like this placement because it would fall naturally in the hand and one could grab it without the bad guy seeing you reach for anything.
Car hijacking in a bad neighborhood as always been a bad dream of mine
Not sure it's really a problem in the middle of Alberta Sorry, I couldn't resist But I'm from Québec, so I'm allowed

Paul

 

Hey guys I an really not here to argue with you, honestly.

This post kind of lost me though.....essentially we have the same criminal homicide rate in the 70's, even with the handgun difference(on a per capita basis).

The report I read in the 90's showed a big difference, with less than 200 gun deaths in Canada and close to 15000 in the US(approx numbers). What changed? At a population 10X that of Canada I would expect to see 2000 in the states.....am I thinking about this the wrong way. This is handgun deaths not total homicides.

I don't know a single person who has a handgun here because it is so restrictive. Any other Canadians know someone with a handgun?

You are RIGHT I don't know what it is like to live in some of the US neighborhoods so I shouldn't comment.
You shouldn't feel uncomfortable without your gun in Canada because I honestly don't believe you would ever need it.

Obviously I stepped on some toes..oops
Now go drive your car, man is this ever OFF TOPIC

 

I really am having to bite my lip on this one. Aargh!! Oh alright. Statistics? Just because a whole lot of morons shoot themselves or can't chew gum and walk simulaneously, doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed to defend myself with a gun. 5000 people a year screw up with knives and cut their fingers off, and I can't have my folder? I don't think so. I have lived on a farm where children aged 6 through 16 were able and responsible for using firearms to protect the family farm. No problems. And no police for 60 miles. So what? Whew!

Back on topic: In California the firearm must be in plain sight and must be unloaded with the ammo no where near the weapon. Is there a solution for that requirement by redesigning the door pocket? I need a handgun for travel. I could get behind a redesigned door pocket that was well thought out. But the bears must be able to see the weapon from outside the car. Think if you were in the car and unconscious and they didn't know it was in there with you and started chopping or there was a fire.

 

back on track..

P89 & will see about a HK94

 

That means you can't leave the gun in the car when you are away from it right?

Paul

 

It really is a sad commentary to live in a country where one feels that they must carry a firearm to protect themselves and their family. Most places I never worry...but some places it does not make sense to not have protection of some kind or another. The Virginia Tech killer should never have been able to purchase a firearm. Although very controversial, if a competent and trained person had been armed in the classooms, very likely many fewer students would have died. These are confusing times and there are no easy answers.

When I was in Africa, there were a few areas where a sidearm would have been very comforting. I had to make do with a Massai hired guard who carried a cheap machine gun. Less fortunate people hire Massai guards with spears. I wonder what the stats in Vancouver, B.C. are for violent crime?

Back to the topic...anything inside of a 928 may be a pretty tempting theft item. I wouldn't leave a really nice sidearm in the 928. I also take the faceplate off of my CD player. Most people don't know how to open the door pocket so that may be the best place.

 

Yes. In America we use handguns to murder, in Canada they use rifles and shotguns. Raw numbers are very different but the firearm murder rate per 100,000 is not. Criminals are,... criminals.

Watch out for people who use handgun death stats in one country and all firearm deaths in another. You need to sure everyone is talking about the same variety of apples.

 

My daugter was there that day. She'd agree with the first paragraph. Plus some other measures. But don't you think that's more for OT, not so much for here?

The question is what will fit. A great multitude will, up to some pretty large-frame stuff. Doesn't sound like panel contortion is a big problem.

 

I just carry a special flashlight.................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99NHb6B03s