Tom. M

Kind of Mark...but my intent was to disclose the cost to build my car..with my stated intended usage... Just to give folks out there a gauge to compare to. Heck, I think Adam with his $500 79 928 track car is gonna be the cost leader..even after the cage and some engine/susp. mods.

As far as running times on various tracks...I think the driver factor weighs heavily in those numbers and is harder to quantify.

Either way...it's only money ...right ?

mark kibort

Actually, Brian's car ($250 buy cost) might be the cost leader, or what about my '79 that ran a 2:10 at thunderhill where the chassis was $100????

Sure, driver plays a lot, but we are talking about an advanced driver that basically is doing most of the things right. If you dont look at an advanced driver( one with a season of racing experience) , the car cost and prep loses a lot of its meaning.

My 79 took only a used timing belt, brake pads, oil change, a $1600 cage, and a 3" exhaust system to the rear from stock manifolds and a big set of wheels and tires.

to build the holbert car performance, pre-stroker, you need a car and about $12k to turn it into a race car. Thats a lot of peformance for under $20k.

mk

Tom928

I knew there was a reason I wasn't building a track car out of what was left of the 3rd 928.

Good luck Tom!

Cheers

IcemanG17

The $250 lemons 928 should yield some interesting data in regards to lap times....at least at thunderhill....its an auto so that will cost some time, it had S brakes & has tiny 225/50-16 tires..so add those to Kiborts old time....& I think it will run 2:15's or slightly better......depending on conditions.....since the car that WON lemons at Buttonwillow runs 2:18's at Thunderhill we should have a competitve car.....if it stays in 1 piece.......

we'll find out in 10 days when she hits the track! The tires and rest of parts we need should be at the shop in a couple days....

Shark Attack

ed zachary my point

James Bailey

Kibort would get smoked at a typical POC event so competitive really depends on where you run and against whom. The old brown 928 slow as it is always has other cars just BIT FASTER OR SLOWER thinking you will be the top dog at a big Porsche event is probably not going to happen. One POC 911 guy just got a new trans..... $40,000 0f trans

blown 87

Damn

IcemanG17

Ya but a $40k trans in a $400k car is CHEAP :>)

James Bailey

Yes the level of competion in POC is extreme ! Yet I have fun on the short track nearly stock series doing timed run groups with equally slow drivers / cars . spent Saturday and sunday at Auto club speedway infield road course with 95 of my best friends There is ALWAYS someone to "race" with.

IcemanG17

Heres some great logic.......for the price of 1 Porsche transmission $40k.....I could field 160 lemons 928's :>)

James Bailey

Yes they typical POC "racer " lasts about 5 years from inititial " I am going to do a few laps in my street car" to I am going to build a race car and dominate ! Then one day they add up all the bills and quietly just go away .......a bit like a comet in the sky get very bright near the end ! Building the car is one expense running it it even MORE ! it was $350 just to enter your car this weekend....Laguna Seca was nearly $1,000 last go around .... Fast cars need new tires every weekend.....$1,200-1,600 or so

GlenL

How about some cost numbers to go with these times? The graph would be very interesting.

GlenL

This is typical. In DE, too.

Ya gotta factor in the "Type A" personalities that Porsche racing attracts. If they're not the best, they quit. Once they are the best, it's not a challenge anymore, and they quit. There are long-term racers, but a half-life of five years is about right. Be there when they sell that $50k car for $15k. Get the trailer, too.

IcemanG17

The $$$ spent vs seconds gain is exponential..I'd say cubed....using Kiborts examples:

1. 1:56 (nothing) A well running S4 5 speed with LSD...lets call this zero
2. 1:50 probably better driving with new tires
3 1:46 stock with some minor mods (tires & suspension)
4 1:42 5 liter 2 valve with headers, decent suspension, big rims,, gutted
--- so a $3k engine plus labor-$4k wheels-tires + ??$$ for gutting?
5 1:40 stock 5 liter S4 with headers, suspension, big rims and tires, gutted
6 1:38 Holbert car with stroker $20k engine
7 1:35
8 1:32 andersons set up Full race frame up build, not "gut and go" serious race stroker...with lots of little expensive improvements...I'd say $100k+

I like the analogy Anderson said a while back regarding "cheap racing"...."which do you think is cheap, the porsche or the racing?"

mark kibort

In class James, I was near the front. top 3 usually. remember, POC classes cars. You also have to remember, I run toyo DOT tires, not full supersize slicks. Mark Anderson would get smoked too, if he ran against REAL ALMS GT2 porsches. (the run near 1:24 at laguna while Mark A. runs a still blistering 1:31 in his races there) What is the difference? you got it $$$$$$
Forget about the brown 928, in a road race compeition, it would have little chance against the spec miatas!

This is why I put it in perspective. to build a 928 race car, the costs will vary on how fast you want to go.

By the way, 1:37s at laguna in my car would not get smoked at laguna by the POC folks. So, put on the big intake ($3 to 5K) and get the extra 100hp that my engine could make with someone that knows how to tune it and it would be right at the front at a POC race near you with no other changes.

mk