Quaz

George and Abby, there are many ways in which that Euro could be sick and not performing up to par. One very common reason is the motor went kaput early in its life and was replaced by a US motor. Check the ID tag on the motor to be sure. Other things include the wrong computer put in by the importer, loss of compression in one or more cylinders, US cams in place of the Euros (again because a dealer would have done it), or simply out of tune.

I doubt it was out of tune if it was maintained by a Porsche mechanic, but even the best sometimes have a hard time diagnosing a loss of compression or the wrong bottom end without being strickly a 928 nut.

As an example a local racer here has a Euro which last year dynoed at 275rwhp basically stock. This year he dynoed it and he got 225rwhp. He was stumped because it still pulled very strong, ran an even mixture and idled well. He did a compression check and found a dead cylinder. Seven good and one bad, still went like heck, but not quite full power. Personally I would have that S2 checked out.

Now as a personal case of humility I lost a race to a Buick Regal GS this summer. That is one of the new ones with a supercharched 3800. Well he took me up to 100mph before I finally evened back up. When we got to a stop I asked what was done to the car as it was louder than my 928. He had a smaller pully, different computer, intake, headers,etc...... The car ran 13.1 in the quarter mile and dynoed at close to 300fwhp. That I would expect to lose to.

An Acura that has a hard time breaking 14.9 and dynos out at 195fwhp I doubt could take a healthy S2.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by mark kibort:
<strong>The only Vtec powered cars to hold a candle to an S4 or a euro 80-86 (ie 300-310hp) will be a type R integra. any other version of the Vtec will get killed in a drag, or road race, and not because of handling. MK</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Mark,

Thanks for joining.

I guess the NSX don't count?

How about an S2000? Both have VTEC technology. I'd like to see some film of you handing *** on an NSX at a big track and an S2000 at somewhere like Willow Springs.

Too your point about the Type-R, The TL-Stype has close to equal times to the Japan RSX Type-R in the 0-60 or the 1/4 mile time. The link I am posting is a side by side comparison. Please scroll down and provide some insight about the track times listed.

<a href="http://www.car-videos.com/performance/view.asp?ID1=194&ID2=69" target="_blank">http://www.car-videos.com/performance/view.asp?ID1=194&ID2=69</a>

Would most of you agree to the average 1/4 mile time of 14.5 for the Euro's? The key word here, AVERAGE.

Drewster67

There is no average S2 time. If it can't run a 13 1/4 - Then it's sick or not a Euro. The average S2 time is 13.5. Based on the cars performance, not on traction or driver error.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Drewster67:
<strong>There is no average S2 time. If it can't run a 13 1/4 - Then it's sick or not a Euro. The average S2 time is 13.5. Based on the cars performance, not on traction or driver error.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">I'm looking for real driven times.

Are you saying based strictly on dyno?

SamGrant951

Just looking around, hope you guys dont mind a little mid-thread humor

<img src="http://members.rennlist.com/sngrant/vteckicksin.jpe" alt=" - " />

Drewster67

<a href="http://www.robrobinette.com/et.htm" target="_blank">http://www.robrobinette.com/et.htm</a>

Abbey, check out the calculator. Plug the numbers in as you see fit. I'm curious to how the TL compares in numbers.

S2 - 310hp crank/295ftlbs/265rwhp

Edited adition - 3,300 lbs

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by SamGrant951:
[QB]Just looking around, hope you guys dont mind a little mid-thread humor

<img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" />

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Drewster67:
<strong><a href="http://www.robrobinette.com/et.htm" target="_blank">http://www.robrobinette.com/et.htm</a>

Abbey, check out the calculator. Plug the numbers in as you see fit. I'm curious to how the TL compares in numbers.

S2 - 310hp crank/295ftlbs/265rwhp</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Came up 14.60 / 3560lbs / 260hp

Drewster67

So, on paper and in theory - The S2 will have a full second on the TL. Which reflects the differences in times between the S2 and it's american brothers. Dude it's all good, the thing about it is this - no matter how new your car is or even how old it is - there will ALWAYS be something out the there faster. PERIOD.

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The same calculator makes the C5 turn a 12.19

-1.5 seconds <img border="0" alt="[byebye]" title="" src="graemlins/wave.gif" />

So is it 310 or 330hp for the Euro?

Drewster67

Without having any personal Dyno experiences, it's hard to say. The resources I have read from states 310 stock but reputable like 330 - so I don't know for sure.

If your trying to attack my credibility regarding the C5 challenge. Keep in mind, I have MSDS headers, no smog pump and I have removed the mechanical fan. My Est Hp @ 347hp. Maybe High, maybe low. Won't know for sure until I go to the Dyno.

As well as 928's are Known for being kicked down killers. There aren't too many cars out there that compare in acceleration from 70 mph. The 928 is not a drag car and you should know that owning a 85 5.7 SC 6spd 928?.

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In it's stock form my '85 was no way a drag car, it will be when completed though.

No attack intended.

Drewster67

My bad and I apologize if I came across brazen. Good Luck with your project 85 - Sounds Interesting. Please keep us informed.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Drewster67:
<strong>My bad and I apologize if I came across brazen.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">It's not just you, I'm basically being called a liar by you guys.

Everyone so defensive. It's funny <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" />

It makes me want to buy another TLS just to prove a point.

Carlos

The best statement on this thread is Kibort stating that "gearing is not a factor." If thats true then I propose a race. Mark in the 928 of his choice and me on foot for 100 feet. The only stipulation is that mark has to take off in 5th.