Barry Johnson

Unfortunately had my car undriven for a few months and the lovely Seattle weather (rain) made its way inside the car (a little) and all the windows have been a little wet since. I think the water is condensing through the driver door glass, and mmmmmaybe the hatch. Most likely just the door. Has anyone ever experienced this, and whats the fix? My passenger side window wobbles and goes down in 'steps' so to speak, but normal speed. Just really jumpy. Driver windows seems to have bad felts as I get a couple lines in the window and its pretty screachy. Fix for those two, too? Thanks guys!

GT Jackson

Barry: I would suggest pulling the inner door panels and having a look at the window mechanisms. There are several good write ups on how to remove the panels, I've done it myself and I am no mechanical genius.

It sounds as though the nuts holding the windows are coming loose and if you catch it now you save yourself extra work when they completely fall into the door as one of mine did. This will also be a good time to repair or replace the plastic barrier between the outer door shell and the inner panels that stop moisture penetration. You could check and replace the rubber window/door seals as well as they just are a friction fit on the lower edge of the door where the window retreats into.

Good luck.

Barry Johnson

Ahh, thanks Gordon, I'll take a look at seperating the shells. I assume Nichol's Tips would have it or someone else?

Tom. M

Hey Beej,

There are a couple of other places for water to make it in too...

Check the seal at the top of the rear hatch. It will drip from there onto the rear A/C or cubby hole ...
Also possible to come in through the rear tail lights through that little rubber seal where you bolt it to the body....

Good Luck your leaks down...

later,
Tom
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P.S. Check your spare tire well too...as a lot of moisture will collect there and stagnate...

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Barry Johnson

Hey Tom,
Thanks for the tip. I think the hatch is a definate possibilty. I haven't noticed any wetness on the rear ac, but there is some moisture in the spare tire well for sure. Not very good for an amp. Do you know what the best way to reshape door panels is? The top and bottoms are bowed out now. Thanks for the tips!

Larry

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Barry Johnson:
<strong>My passenger side window wobbles and goes down in 'steps' so to speak, but normal speed. Just really jumpy. Driver windows seems to have bad felts as I get a couple lines in the window and its pretty screachy. Fix for those two, too? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">There is a set of guides that attach to the window and run up and down a shaft. When I replaced mine, the "jumpiness" went away. Also, there is a set of felt guides which put pressure against the inside of the window as it moves up and down. You can see them when you remove the weather strip. The lines are definitely caused by worn felt on these guides. I think Chris Ford's site had some info on removing the door panels, as did Nichols'. Good luck!

Andre Roodnat

It has been raining off and on here as well. It also had been freezing overnight. In the morning I took out the tool tray and saw some ice there. (Not a normal starting sequence mind you) I still have to check that out. But I think you can assume that the moist condenses on the coldest spot in the car, but in the vicinity of the leakage. My rear window and rear quarter window keep fogging up. When it has been raining hard, the whole car is fogged up, but the most condense is in the back of the car. Maybe a bad assumption, but I would start looking in the vicinity of the most condense. Opening both windows for a couple of minutes while driving and putting the defogger on, gets the condense out. Unless it’s more humid outside then in of course.

DaveW

Don't forget that the rear quarter windows can leak too. I've been through the search you are going through and that's what is was with me. Draw around the inside edge of all your door/hatch openings and window seals with soft white chalk. Where there is a leak it will wash away the chalk dust and make it easier to locate. It's a bit of a pain to clean up afterwards but it does help!

Cheers
Dave

GT Jackson

Andre: The user manual suggest running the AC when you get windows fogging up in moist cool weather. Works like a charm for me.

Andre Roodnat

GT Jackson: So I guess fixing the airco-pump should be put on the top of the to-do list. I didn't urge because of the temperatures here at the moment, but I'll start that project first next thing. But does the airco really get the moisture out of the car?

Erik - Denmark

I had the problems for years
It shows up it was the rear side windows, who was leaking badly - bought between the glass and the rubber and between the rubber and the chassis - Very hard to find
Also the hatch rubber sealing was leaking, but that's easy to see as Tom said
The A/C is good for removing the moisture, but will not repair the leak(s)