Big Dave

After installing the cams for cyls 1-4 (I didn't need to remove anything for 5-8), I need to finish setting precise valve timing for cyls 1-4. I'll be getting PorKen's v2 kit later this week, but since I have his v1 kit I figured I'd check what the timing is like now.

Cylinders 5-8 are registering at 2* advanced (i.e., the needle fits perfectly in the "V" in the first hole to the left (counterclockwise) of the center hole).

Cylinders 1-4 (the ones involved in my repair) are registering at 2* retarded (i.e., the needle fits in the first hole to the right (clockwise) of the center hole).

Here's the question...where is each cam supposed to be indicating....in the center hole or somewhere else??

Thanks in advance!

Big Dave

Bump...anyone?

the flyin' scotsman

Dave.........stock timing is 1 degree advanced.

If your waiting for the V2 version arriving to fine tune I'd set cyls 1-4 at 0 degrees for now and fine tune both banks when the new tool arrives.

Jadz928

Dave,
It reads that you are not far off from stock settings for a cold engine.

Here some info I found in a search Re 32V cam timing:

Loaded wrote:
PorKen wrote:
Cam timing thread ref 1
Cam timing thread ref 2
Cam timing thread ref 3

Hope this helps...

Big Dave

Thanks Jim....when referring to left/right sides, is that from the front of the car looking back, or from the back of the car looking toward the front? I wish people would refer to cylinder banks instead!

Big Dave

OK...I see that PorKen refers to the "left" side as the US driver's side of the engine.

Jadz928

Dave,
It's based on driver's POV when sitting in the car. Back of the car looking forward.
I know it seems strange with regards to the engine being that POV is usually from the front of the car looking back

Jadz928

Dave,
So, to sum it up. I think you are shooting for equal timing when engine is warm. Then once you have that set, you can advance left and right equally for more midrange (driveable) torque.

Big Dave

So, I should move both cams so that they're at the 0* (middle hole) on the gauge, correct?

I'm getting confused between cam degrees and crank degrees....plus I think I saw somewhere that Ken's tool is actually at 2* crank advance (or was is retard???) when in the middle hole.

I'm starting to feel like I'm retarded.

Ken...help!

Jadz928

Ken may still be sleeping...

I think I'll let him take it from here as I'm still learning too. I just started a TB/WP job so you are farther ahead than I.

the flyin' scotsman

The instructions for using the cam timing tool are available on Kens site:

http://liftbars.com/

PorKen

The original V1 manual used cam°. 1° cam = 2° crank.

Without the alignment kit, the V1 is only truly accurate for restoring what the engine already was adjusted to.

Adv_o_Ret
oooo_oooo
CCW_CW

R = cyls 1-4
L = cyls 5-8
© = WSM dial indicator setting, engine cold

V1 measures
Each hole is 2° crank
L ©: 2° advance (1 hole CCW)
R ©: 1° advance (halfway between 0 and 1 hole CCW)

V2 measures
Each hole is 1° crank.
L ©: 0°.
R ©: 1° retard (1 hole CW)

° = Hold [Alt], type [0][1][7][6] on the numeric keyboard, release [Alt]

Big Dave

Thanks, Ken. I'll keep the cams where they're at until my loaner V2 tool arrives.