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02-12-2007, 04:49 PM
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OK too many people are taking offense to this well-intentioned thread. You've brought dangler upon yourselves, go ahead and have another 
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02-12-2007, 04:53 PM
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What???? you hearing footsteps????
what kinda handle is dangle rb anyway...... Way too close to "dingleberry"....
what kinda handle is dangle rb anyway...... Way too close to "dingleberry"....
02-12-2007, 04:58 PM
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Its normal forum practice to let the newbies answer the newbiest of other newbie questions. So I started repeating what I was told within the first week if the same question was asked again.
Maybe I should consider a name change, Ranger Rabbit isn't taken is it?
Maybe I should consider a name change, Ranger Rabbit isn't taken is it?
02-12-2007, 05:00 PM
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This isn't your first trip to the Rodeo, is it boy?
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02-12-2007, 05:09 PM
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I can see now where the difference lies--
-- Newbies play back advice they find/read in their first few weeks.
-- Old hands play back the advice they generated in their first few years.
The 'problems' surface when newbies manage to regurgitate the advice that old hands previously shared, as if it was their own.
All that said, I'm glad the there is new enthusiastic blood in the group. We need it to replace the grey-haired guys who give up the calling for one reason or another. Hopefully it isn't because of the influx of [over]enthusiastic newbies. We also need to be carefull not to stifle the enthusiasm of new members by criticising their lack of experience to match their enthusiasm. Not everybody was born an expert like we born-experts were.
Just think about how many prominent folks have passed on from the group, and how much knowledge and expereince went with them. Cherish then the folkks who are willing to post over 2,000 time in he first few months. Shape amd guide their enthusiasm so they will still be here when we pass on to driving big slow Kia sedans or worse.
-- Newbies play back advice they find/read in their first few weeks.
-- Old hands play back the advice they generated in their first few years.
The 'problems' surface when newbies manage to regurgitate the advice that old hands previously shared, as if it was their own.
All that said, I'm glad the there is new enthusiastic blood in the group. We need it to replace the grey-haired guys who give up the calling for one reason or another. Hopefully it isn't because of the influx of [over]enthusiastic newbies. We also need to be carefull not to stifle the enthusiasm of new members by criticising their lack of experience to match their enthusiasm. Not everybody was born an expert like we born-experts were.
Just think about how many prominent folks have passed on from the group, and how much knowledge and expereince went with them. Cherish then the folkks who are willing to post over 2,000 time in he first few months. Shape amd guide their enthusiasm so they will still be here when we pass on to driving big slow Kia sedans or worse.
02-12-2007, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by dr bob
I can see now where the difference lies--
-- Newbies play back advice they find/read in their first few weeks.
-- Old hands play back the advice they generated in their first few years.
The 'problems' surface when newbies manage to regurgitate the advice that old hands previously shared, as if it was their own.
All that said, I'm glad the there is new enthusiastic blood in the group. We need it to replace the grey-haired guys who give up the calling for one reason or another. Hopefully it isn't because of the influx of [over]enthusiastic newbies. We also need to be carefull not to stifle the enthusiasm of new members by criticising their lack of experience to match their enthusiasm. Not everybody was born an expert like we born-experts were.
Just think about how many prominent folks have passed on from the group, and how much knowledge and expereince went with them. Cherish then the folkks who are willing to post over 2,000 time in he first few months. Shape amd guide their enthusiasm so they will still be here when we pass on to driving big slow Kia sedans or worse.
-- Newbies play back advice they find/read in their first few weeks.
-- Old hands play back the advice they generated in their first few years.
The 'problems' surface when newbies manage to regurgitate the advice that old hands previously shared, as if it was their own.
All that said, I'm glad the there is new enthusiastic blood in the group. We need it to replace the grey-haired guys who give up the calling for one reason or another. Hopefully it isn't because of the influx of [over]enthusiastic newbies. We also need to be carefull not to stifle the enthusiasm of new members by criticising their lack of experience to match their enthusiasm. Not everybody was born an expert like we born-experts were.
Just think about how many prominent folks have passed on from the group, and how much knowledge and expereince went with them. Cherish then the folkks who are willing to post over 2,000 time in he first few months. Shape amd guide their enthusiasm so they will still be here when we pass on to driving big slow Kia sedans or worse.
02-12-2007, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by dr bob
I can see now where the difference lies--
-- Newbies play back advice they find/read in their first few weeks.
-- Old hands play back the advice they generated in their first few years.
The 'problems' surface when newbies manage to regurgitate the advice that old hands previously shared, as if it was their own.
All that said, I'm glad the there is new enthusiastic blood in the group. We need it to replace the grey-haired guys who give up the calling for one reason or another. Hopefully it isn't because of the influx of [over]enthusiastic newbies. We also need to be carefull not to stifle the enthusiasm of new members by criticising their lack of experience to match their enthusiasm. Not everybody was born an expert like we born-experts were.
Just think about how many prominent folks have passed on from the group, and how much knowledge and expereince went with them. Cherish then the folkks who are willing to post over 2,000 time in he first few months. Shape amd guide their enthusiasm so they will still be here when we pass on to driving big slow Kia sedans or worse.
-- Newbies play back advice they find/read in their first few weeks.
-- Old hands play back the advice they generated in their first few years.
The 'problems' surface when newbies manage to regurgitate the advice that old hands previously shared, as if it was their own.
All that said, I'm glad the there is new enthusiastic blood in the group. We need it to replace the grey-haired guys who give up the calling for one reason or another. Hopefully it isn't because of the influx of [over]enthusiastic newbies. We also need to be carefull not to stifle the enthusiasm of new members by criticising their lack of experience to match their enthusiasm. Not everybody was born an expert like we born-experts were.
Just think about how many prominent folks have passed on from the group, and how much knowledge and expereince went with them. Cherish then the folkks who are willing to post over 2,000 time in he first few months. Shape amd guide their enthusiasm so they will still be here when we pass on to driving big slow Kia sedans or worse.
02-12-2007, 06:02 PM
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I'm always amazed when newbies spout off as if they know what they are talking about. It seems sort of phony to me.
I've always taken the tack of, if I've heard of something, but not actually done it myself (which is a ton of stuff with the 928), if I comment at all, it is along the lines of:
I've read...
I've heard...
I believe...
So and so has said that...
Here is a link where that is covered...
If there is something that I know for a fact because I have done it, or confirmed it myself, then I feel comfortable saying something more directly as fact.
Lastly, I'm always suspicious of newbies that post a lot, more often then not they don't know what they are talking about and are just parroting what they have read, but not actually done themselves. And occaisionally you get the attention ***** that just cannot resist posting. -Ed
I've always taken the tack of, if I've heard of something, but not actually done it myself (which is a ton of stuff with the 928), if I comment at all, it is along the lines of:
I've read...
I've heard...
I believe...
So and so has said that...
Here is a link where that is covered...
If there is something that I know for a fact because I have done it, or confirmed it myself, then I feel comfortable saying something more directly as fact.
Lastly, I'm always suspicious of newbies that post a lot, more often then not they don't know what they are talking about and are just parroting what they have read, but not actually done themselves. And occaisionally you get the attention ***** that just cannot resist posting. -Ed
02-12-2007, 06:04 PM
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I've been a member for, what, a couple years now?
I mainly read and learn.
Once in a great while, I post a bit of advice, but I'm not a wrench - nor do I play one on TV.
I don't have a big problem with a newbie posting advice, but here's the thing... You don't really know a newbie's qualifications. A guy's gotta be around for a while before he earns some creds. So even though it doesn't really bother me when a newbie posts advice, I also pretty much ignore it.
Edit: Ed posted pretty much what I said - and was faster doing it!
I mainly read and learn.
Once in a great while, I post a bit of advice, but I'm not a wrench - nor do I play one on TV.
I don't have a big problem with a newbie posting advice, but here's the thing... You don't really know a newbie's qualifications. A guy's gotta be around for a while before he earns some creds. So even though it doesn't really bother me when a newbie posts advice, I also pretty much ignore it.
Edit: Ed posted pretty much what I said - and was faster doing it!
02-12-2007, 06:30 PM
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I see this and other forums like it less about the ownership of ideas and more about helping people, which I have been doing online for one thing or another since the early 80's with a 300 baud connection. Oldtimers forget that they weren't always oldtimers, and that somebody gave them the information they have now, not to sit on, but to pass on to others, and they no more own it than the water they drink.
Forums where the nembies aren't expected to pick up the ball and pass on the information they learned two days earlier tend to die. Forum dynamics is not a new thing to me, I've seen dozens grow, and dozens wither. This one could use some help with the signal to noise, but I actually prefer that the moderator has a light touch and lets minor fires burn out on there own.
Forums where the nembies aren't expected to pick up the ball and pass on the information they learned two days earlier tend to die. Forum dynamics is not a new thing to me, I've seen dozens grow, and dozens wither. This one could use some help with the signal to noise, but I actually prefer that the moderator has a light touch and lets minor fires burn out on there own.