Cost Effective Engine Support
10-14-2006, 12:38 PM
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Cost Effective Engine Support
I was about to start a MM & Real Gasket R&R on John's "Stepson" - AKA soontobered - when I realised that the engine support I usually use was not available anymore. It belonged to Schocki and as he has returned to Germany it went with him.
Ordered a new one from Northern Tool which would take about a week to get to me.
So I improvised using a piece of 4X4 fence post and a winch chain.
Two pieces of wood laid on the fender joint at the point where the cross brace mounts to raise the 4X4 above the cross brace.
On the older cars the engine lift point is to the right of center.
Used a length of chain suitably anchored and as you can see it works fine.
Time to prepare 5 mins - Cost $0
The support has to hold about 50% of the engine weight which is approx. 300Lbs.
Perfect for people who will only do this once.
Ordered a new one from Northern Tool which would take about a week to get to me.
So I improvised using a piece of 4X4 fence post and a winch chain.
Two pieces of wood laid on the fender joint at the point where the cross brace mounts to raise the 4X4 above the cross brace.
On the older cars the engine lift point is to the right of center.
Used a length of chain suitably anchored and as you can see it works fine.
Time to prepare 5 mins - Cost $0
The support has to hold about 50% of the engine weight which is approx. 300Lbs.
Perfect for people who will only do this once.
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Does it have the "Do It Yourself" manual transmission, or the superior "Fully Equipped by Porsche" Automatic Transmission?
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10-14-2006, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ROG100
I was about to start a MM & Real Gasket R&R on John's "Stepson" - AKA soontobered - when I realised that the engine support I usually use was not available anymore. It belonged to Schocki and as he has returned to Germany it went with him.
Ordered a new one from Northern Tool which would take about a week to get to me.
So I improvised using a piece of 4X4 fence post and a winch chain.
Two pieces of wood laid on the fender joint at the point where the cross brace mounts to raise the 4X4 above the cross brace.
On the older cars the engine lift point is to the right of center.
Used a length of chain suitably anchored and as you can see it works fine.
Time to prepare 5 mins - Cost $0
The support has to hold about 50% of the engine weight which is approx. 300Lbs.
Perfect for people who will only do this once.
Ordered a new one from Northern Tool which would take about a week to get to me.
So I improvised using a piece of 4X4 fence post and a winch chain.
Two pieces of wood laid on the fender joint at the point where the cross brace mounts to raise the 4X4 above the cross brace.
On the older cars the engine lift point is to the right of center.
Used a length of chain suitably anchored and as you can see it works fine.
Time to prepare 5 mins - Cost $0
The support has to hold about 50% of the engine weight which is approx. 300Lbs.
Perfect for people who will only do this once.
None of the ones we had in our shop would work because the were to wide. YRMV
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10-14-2006, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ROG100
Harvey,
What happened to your trip to Dallas?
We could get a few 928's together to welcome you.
Roger
What happened to your trip to Dallas?
We could get a few 928's together to welcome you.
Roger
Sorry I didn't have time to share a julup. Business part of trip was longer than I wanted. If you'd rather stay in a nice motel in Dallas than buy a 928, the Rosewood Mansion on Turtle Creek is a nice place to stay. And the food's not bad. I think the vendors wanted me to buy their product!
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10-14-2006, 01:07 PM
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Yea..Rog, but doesn't the engine sit on the frame crossmembers? I just didn't think that the fender support infrastructure was that strong...but your fotos seem to disprove that theory. Good idea. Thanks for sharing.
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10-14-2006, 01:32 PM
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Hi Greg,
Thanks but I was already aware and will set up to have it cut down to size.
Maybe I should just stick with the 4X4.
Harvey,
The food is really good at the Rosewood. Even better at the Mansion on Turtle Creek.
Especially if someone else (business) is paying.
Maybe next time we can treat you and yours to a Texas BBQ.
Glad you had a good time.
Thanks but I was already aware and will set up to have it cut down to size.
Maybe I should just stick with the 4X4.
Harvey,
The food is really good at the Rosewood. Even better at the Mansion on Turtle Creek.
Especially if someone else (business) is paying.
Maybe next time we can treat you and yours to a Texas BBQ.
Glad you had a good time.
10-14-2006, 01:54 PM
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Hi Roger,
I once did something similar... 2x4 blocks, 4x4 cross-piece.
Instead of wrapped chain, I drilled a 1/2" hole thru 4x4 above
the lift point and used an eyebolt (eye down) and short chain
and hook to 'lift' the engine. Tension applied by threading nut
and washer atop the 4x4.
A real deal lifter would have been nice but ....
G'luck.
I once did something similar... 2x4 blocks, 4x4 cross-piece.
Instead of wrapped chain, I drilled a 1/2" hole thru 4x4 above
the lift point and used an eyebolt (eye down) and short chain
and hook to 'lift' the engine. Tension applied by threading nut
and washer atop the 4x4.
A real deal lifter would have been nice but ....
G'luck.
10-14-2006, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ROG100
Hi Greg,
Thanks but I was already aware and will set up to have it cut down to size.
Maybe I should just stick with the 4X4.
Thanks but I was already aware and will set up to have it cut down to size.
Maybe I should just stick with the 4X4.
I was afraid to use one of ours on mine when I did the MM and oil pan gaskets, because I was not sure how the factory tool set on the fender lips and how far apart the support legs were.
10-14-2006, 02:07 PM
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This was Schockis support - from Harbor Freight IIRC. It needed to be cut down.
I think Carl sells one on his site that may already be the right size.
I think Carl sells one on his site that may already be the right size.
10-14-2006, 02:40 PM
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Roger, I don't feel comfortable with your method, though I'm sure it will work in a pinch. But a pinch is what you are trying to avoid. My beef comes from the possibility that it could slide forward. That would be a pinch alright.
Schocki's tool is superior. Dave Anderson (Sharkskin) has one of Carl's tools and it is also superior with two chain support points, and neither of them is prone to forward movement, being prevented from doing so by the fender screws and the high friction feet.
Of course, your method costs a few dollars less.........invest the savings in hospitalization and health insurance and you're good to go.
Schocki's tool is superior. Dave Anderson (Sharkskin) has one of Carl's tools and it is also superior with two chain support points, and neither of them is prone to forward movement, being prevented from doing so by the fender screws and the high friction feet.
Of course, your method costs a few dollars less.........invest the savings in hospitalization and health insurance and you're good to go.