User 41221

87's were, in my opinion, the weakest of the 951 production run. They were heavier than the '86's but had the same K26/6 turbo. The tranny cooler was an option in '87, whereas its standard on the '86 and the 951S, and LSD wasn't standard until the 88 951S, and carried over to the '89's. The only advantages the '87 had over the '86 was the availability of ABS (only about 20% of the '87s got this), a wider offset and beefier spindles, which were improved on again with the M030 units that the 951S received. I also prefer the manual cam belt tensioner from the '86 to the spring loaded tensioner in the '87's, altho that is again better than the STUPID hydraulic tensioner that came in the 968's (which I have had two of them prematurely start to seep fluid on me).

I still believe that either a 928 or a 951 can be made to go fast enough to satisfy the inner speed junkie for most of us. Its sort of like wine... whether you prefer red or white, drink enough and either will get you drunk!

Regards,

pmotts

Does Mark Robinson know this??

Me thinks you are incorrect concerning the #'s

H2

Shane,

I bid on an '85 that was in great shape (and lost) with an engine build in mind since it had a bad engine. Only problem with it was it was an automatic. I'm not sure the autos raise enough smoke when trying to get traction? Remember, this is Idaho, and smoke sometimes is just as important as traction. Oops, sorry. If I remember correctly, your twin screw build had both. But....the question begs to be answered...can an '85 auto stand up to high horsepower abuse?

Harvey

pmotts

The '85 atuo is as strong as any of the MY auto's I believe.

mark kibort

Do you know any 944 951, ext, that has run over 100 race days on the original engine, with no mods except bolt on suspension headers and tires, and can even come close to 1:40 at Laguna or 1:48 at Sears point?
It doesnt exist. Ive i saw a 944 turbo on grid, it had better have 360wrhp or its going to be easy pickings. what does it take to make the 944 turbo make 360rwhp?? how long would it last? even then, it would be unlikely that it could be faster than the 928 due to wheel size limitations at track width. The 928 is clearly a better car, no question. (if you are looking at it from a racer perspective)
as was said, if money is no option, then both can be made to go fast. Keep in mind, several pro racers with 944turbos, have visited laguna and sears in well built up, expensive 944ts, and none of them have touched the times made by a stock 928 that has been gutted! (with headers and suspension) Kind of hard to argue with those statistics. Again, if we are talking about off the showroom floor, the edge goes to the 944t, due to the stock less weight. but , gutted, amazingly enough, both get down near 2700lbs.

MK

Bill51sdr

You apparently have paid no attention to Bill Ball's burnout video!

jyoon

which numbers are incorrect? is there a bolt on turbo kit available right now i can order today and get in the next week or two?

Shane

You are taking this too far to the extreme Harvey! Keep your 968 for those road trips with the wife. Save your nickels and dimes and get a supercharger or turbo kit, bolt it onto the '85 you already have. You said yourself that the only way to redeem the money you have into it was to drive it. You have all the mechanicals worked out already. Why buy a project car, that would require more space or selling the 968 that your wife likes.

Also if you absolutely have to have a second 928, get an '86.5 or better. At least then you won't be in desperate need of new larger brakes right off the get go after installing some boost. Remember my twinscrew was only good for three or four laps around Spokane before cooking the brakes. And yes my auto tranny was holding up just fine.

pmotts

https://rennlist.com/forums/showthre...ight=turbo+kit

heinrich

I've been offering harvey all sorts of 928's in all sorts of shapes, from builder to fully running red over black 85. We never even got to price. My view is, Harv needs to get a 928 and supercharge it.

special tool

Well - this is a great thread.

I still have no choice but to declare that I will leave ANY 928 on the boards many bus-lengths behind from 100-200K, and at LEAST 1 bus in the 1/4.
And it will be a VERY badass 928 to stay within 1 bus in the 1/4....

Imo000

Fair enough but there are a few ones here that can supprise you. What's your best 1/4 mile time?

special tool

I can't divulge because I am looking for trouble right now....

VERY quick with over 2 second 60 foot and granny-shifting.....
Just know that I will be thrown out IMMEDIATELY after my first run.

John Veninger

Think a better race would be through Death Valley in August. First person 150 miles from the start wins

Andial951

Well I guess that solves it then.........the 951 IS faster.........