928drvr86.5

Sorry, it must have been tough to see a car you once owned, a beautiful car, abused like that. Very few are lucky enough to have one and this one gets abused?

IcemanG17

Todd
That sucks man....sure you lost $2k....but I'm sure you saved ALOT more than that by passing on the car....but as bad as it sounds......a $20K GTS always seems like a good deal! Of course a stolen (why didn't car fax find it) car isn't worth anything.....good to hear you got away from it!! There are other nice 928's out there....& I'm sure you can find another!

heinrich

Todd sorry to read this. You should have had one of us locals go with you, we are a short distance from where you were. Anyway, what a shame. Better 2k as Roger says.

Scott M.

Todd;

I feel for you...

I recently got burned for $2300 on a seriously much cheaper car. Between last minute airfare, both ways, lodging, fuel..for two, not counting 2 days out of the office which would triple my loss.
In my case the seller would tell the truth (mostly) but only after I proded him. Damn snake in the grass. Sometimes there is no time to do a PPI, as first come=first serve.

Better luck next time.

pewter82

Very discouraging to hear this, One that you got screwed, and Two, that someone has basically destroyed a rare car like that. I feel for you and I have had some trouble with scammers myself but on a smaller scale, it really sucks.
You might want to contact the local authorities to give them a heads up....

jason

Tony

Since 2k sure doesnt seem like too much to you guys why not send me 2k and i will send you a pretty thank you card and a nice picture of a 928.
The guy got ripped off and is letting it slide.

Jim bailey - 928 International

It is easy to suggest that Todd should have made some attempt to get the police involved But you have to remember he was standing there with nearly $20,000 in cash in his pocket and the bad guys "getaway car" was parked at the other end of the building with another guy waiting inside it. This could EASILY have turned into an armed robbery and they could EASILY have decided to leave no witness before they hopped back across the border. They KNEW he brought them CASH...

morganabowen

I agree with Jim, I don't know that Todd had that many options. Most importantly, his safety and 20,000 dollars in cash. The other side of the coin is that what if the sale was legit, and Todd would have made a false charge against the person, could have cost Todd more then $2K. I would probably done like Todd and just lick my wounds, took my cash and flew home. There will always be anothe RED GTS for $20K

Kevin Michael

I agree with Tony. I'm sure Tony would have prepared properly,as would I. I would have taken 2 friends who could contribute in a positive way(wink). We would have that whole situation figured out before they even knew there own plan, if there was one. I have been involved in all sorts of deals large and small and have yet to be taken. Its all in the planning and if Todd brought 20g's to the initial meeting he had poor planning from the start. None of my business though.

Bill Ball

Yeah, I was thinking that he should have gotten his money back, but how? Take the tires off the car? Demand his $500 deposit back or he would do what? Did he have any good evidence these people had comitted a crime other than a suspicious pile of title papers? They were not US citizens, etc., etc. Had they been in Canada and had Todd fully understood Canadan law about vehicle ownership and registration he might have had the basis for a plausible threat, but even then there was the matter of the other guy in the car, the big wad of cash, etc. Not a good situation for trying to get tough.

Cameron

How was the $500 paid? Surely cash didn't go in the mail. Stop payment on the check.

tv

Some of you guys must have grown up in mayberry, or don't think thru all the possible outcomes of certain actions you might take. Todd did all he could do in this situation.

Or he could have had Magnum come to a screeching stop and hop out with his 45 drawn. And everyone could have nursed their flesh wounds over a few cold ones.

Richard S

Why does everyone think the car was stolen? Rick said he bought the car from Doug and had it shipped to the Bay Area. Rick then sold it to Chris. Chris apparently never titled the car in Canada, and really doesn't care about the string of US titles. It sounds like a floater, but not stolen. That being said, I wouldn't buy it without the proper title from the seller. No way would I fight with the DMV over the fact that the car has a Kentucky title(?), was supposed to have an Indiana title, was shipped to California, where it should have then been titled, but ended up a few years later in Canada, still without a correct title. Let someone else do the legal legwork, this one isn't worth the hassle. Lowmiler did the right thing and bailed out. Now that the situation is calmer, he can pursue getting his $$$$ back. Good luck.

Rich

pewter82

a person can still contact the local authorities and let them know his concerns...its up to them if they have enought to pursue...for all we know these guys could be wanted and Todd may have some info authorities want.

low miler

Thanks guys. I appreciate all the support and suggestions.]

The deal is, by the time I met Chris, I was already out the $500.00 deposit sent via PayPal, and the $563.00 for tires. I still had the $19,500.00 cash in my friends car that he NEVER got. To fully understand this situation, you would have had to have been there. I first realized that after seeing and driving the car, that I already didn't want the it, especially at the price I agreed too. But, since the deposit was already made and the tires were already on the car, there wasn't anything I could do at that point regarding the $1063.00. So, as far as that goes, that money was history.

The title issue was something that came about later in the conversation when I was trying to renegotiate the price. It was at that time, I realized, I certainly didn't want the car at all, at any price! He made it sound as if he could provide more information later and that he would do so. So, I left that as both my excuse for backing out of the car, and getting the hell out of there with my $19,500.00!

You would have had to have been there to fully understand the set of circumstances involved. How they happened, and how they began to unfold. Each and every case of fraud or theft is an entirely different situation.

The way I look at this one is, that the car may actually be his. He may just be trying to title jump and pass a Canadian car onto an unsuspecting American. Once the American gets to the DMV, they will then realize they're out a hell of alot more than just $20,000.

I look at this situation as, I lost $2000. I could have easily lost $20,000. I didn't. What comes around, goes around. This guy will eventually get his, that's a fact. I will find another good car with an actual title and move on. It's not the end of the world. I'll make it up on another one and will always remember this situation and NEVER let this happen to me again. And that lesson is what has actually been learned here today.