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Old 02-04-2006 | 07:43 PM
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Dat's funny Doc Scott. Makes the fine lines of the 944 look like
a Mitsubishi Starion.

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BC;

From what little I remember of the car(s), they were made by an outfit in the NW called RSC (short for, you guessed it, poRSChe).
If you study the pictures you and I posted, you can see that Tareks car is different (i.e. no roof antenna, RSC script in rear bumper cover, etc.)
I also would like to find the molds.
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Originally Posted by Scott M.
Tarek;

Here is a 944 version of your WW body...
Wow...looks good! ala Mercedes DTM, which is one of my all time favorite cars!
Old 02-04-2006 | 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by bcdavis
Eric Munck made a few interesting 928s, but was also somewhat of a fraud.

http://members.aol.com/Musttanguy/horses7.html

If you search the archives, you will find some huge threads discussing his
questionable business practices. The real question is if he actually made the car,
and if so, how many did he make? He said he only made one.
But he could have just stolen the pictuires for his website.
But because I had never seen the car, before seeing it on
his site, I think he may indeed have made the car. So then
the question still remains... Is it the only one, or did he make
a few?

He also built this car:

http://www.bavarianrocketscience.com/POTM/0101.htm

So he has the skills to build the car.
I'm guessing he has the molds.
But I would not give him any money for a body kit or anything.
According to the previous owner and the one before him, the molds were in a warehouse out in Portland as of 2 years ago, with my car. The warehouse owner has since sold parts and tools belonging Erik Munch, who owed rent. The warehouse owner sold the molds and could not tell me where they went. Somebody who loves 928's must have bought them. c'mon fess up guys

If I was to build a 928 widebody, I would make a few things a little different. (I would introduce nicely finished vents for accommodating mechanical systems and coolers in the empty spaces...but then again, perhaps the first car done by Munch for that reason, and the rest were just replicas, or stage I only)... The workmanship and quality of the Munch kit would be very difficult to duplicate. Many knowledgeable people have looked at the workmanship and they all agreed it was top notch.
Old 02-04-2006 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Fabio421
You say that the molds are still available. Who has them? What is Eric Munk's web site.

I love that car Tarek. Bring it so Sebring.
thanks Fabio. That's my intention...unless Doc and I start on a long term project in the days leading up to it. we plan on doing a timing belt and rear suspension change on Thursday...and hopefully we won't be distracted by too many crazy stuff and we'll be ready to come to Sebring on Sunday and possibly part of Saturday until early afternoon (gotta make it back for the Gasparilla night parade in Ybor . you guys wanna come?)
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Originally Posted by TAREK
thanks Fabio. That's my intention...unless Doc and I start on a long term project in the days leading up to it. we plan on doing a timing belt and rear suspension change on Thursday...and hopefully we won't be distracted by too many crazy stuff and we'll be ready to come to Sebring on Sunday and possibly part of Saturday until early afternoon (gotta make it back for the Gasparilla night parade in Ybor . you guys wanna come?)
It's funny you say that. I was just discussing that w/ my g-friend today. I really don't wanna miss the night parade but I already have a room reserved in Sebring. Maybe someone else would want it. Or i can just keep it and play it by ear.
I would offer to help but I have to work Thursday.
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Fab;

Blow off work... I can give you a doctors note. You know you'd rather come drink beer and play 928.
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good point. you beat me to it. Thats why the race cars have the vents in the hood about mid hood to vent the air from above the front splitter, through the radiator, to go through the hood to a low pressure area.

MK

QUOTE=ew928]If I'm not mistaken, the hood/windshield juncture is a HIGH pressure zone at speed. So the hood scoop will only vent out hot air when sitting at a traffic jam.
Good place to mount some LED warning lights/gauges too like them
1970's muscle cars. Just in case the A-pillar runs out of room for
A/F, oil temp etc.

Hey. Where's the pics with the bikini clad babe draped all over the
Batmobile/Darth Vader mobile.

Ernest (NYC)[/QUOTE]
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what was the change to you? i bet you are looser than you need to be, but some racers like that feel. I bet, at best, it is a subtle difference.

Mk

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Have to disagree.
Pinned and like it!
Don't do it on a street car.
Old 02-05-2006 | 05:16 AM
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Yes, I thought it was a tad tighter pinned, and that was a preference for me - and I totally agree with you MK - tighter doesn't necessarily mean faster, but depends on the track. I also had the heavy duty sway and a soft rear sway - and would like to get rid of some of of the low speed push - more meat up front, or softer sway! The tracks you race down there - not so much a concern! Up here, bumpy tracks, lower speed corners - need more front bite, and the rear needs to help you rotate. I prefered it pinned. I think this is only noticable under pretty heavy corner entry speeds - so if you are not taking corners with some tire or sphincter lockup - probably not going to notice.

Cool car! Mean lookin'!
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Gorgeous car! I'm not going to nit-pick details, but it looks very extreme. Knowing that there were only 4 conversions done makes it very special. As much as like it, I am grateful that all 928s were not made this way.
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Originally Posted by Scott M.
Fab;

Blow off work... I can give you a doctors note. You know you'd rather come drink beer and play 928.
If I can get some things done before hand, then I will come. That is if it's OK w. Tarek.

I did some Google research on that Eric Mienck fellow. There are lots of people out there who have been dis-satisfied with his business practices. If he did make this car then its a shame that he had to be so shady. Whoever created it is an artist.
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yes, good points. i think my car is pretty well set up for the smooth, but radical tracks , like sears point. But, i have to tell you, i have a little push on the real tight tracks, but no problem with rotation when i need to power on. the highspeed sweepers where there is most of the time to be made up here, my car handles BEST. just look at Dennis at laguna or sears. he is constantly fighting the looseness. my car in those turns is a dream!! i would venture a guess, that he has the rear pinned. turns like turn 9 or turn 4 at laguna, having a car where you can get on the power early and power all the way out of turn makes up a lot of ground against the loose guys!! its not tight, its really balanced. (ie 4 wheels drift , with a little looseness with too much power)

check out our two videos. dennis vs my lap at laguna or sears. he has got himself a handful. I would be curious to hear if he has the rear pinned as well as his "locker " rear end. (and he had a handful on videos before he did the diff "locker".

its all a matter of set up and trade offs like you say. you can pin the rear, have a looser swaybar and change all sorts of handling things. not to mention , shock settings, bump, compression, ride hight, weight balance, tires (width and durometer)front sway, and the interaction of all of the above. Point is, i thin the geometry of the active weisach is a good thing more than a bad thing.

considering my times and my settings giving me a car that has no handling issues, and no changes to it in over 5 years, i would say, it would be a great starting point for anyone with a 928.

I think the only turns where you may be right about it being better are the ones you mention. even tighter than turn 11 at laguna? you may have some of that up North. Buttonwillow comes to mind, turn 2 CW. but, thats one turn. the rest of the track is bumpy but not that tight.

Mk

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Yes, I thought it was a tad tighter pinned, and that was a preference for me - and I totally agree with you MK - tighter doesn't necessarily mean faster, but depends on the track. I also had the heavy duty sway and a soft rear sway - and would like to get rid of some of of the low speed push - more meat up front, or softer sway! The tracks you race down there - not so much a concern! Up here, bumpy tracks, lower speed corners - need more front bite, and the rear needs to help you rotate. I prefered it pinned. I think this is only noticable under pretty heavy corner entry speeds - so if you are not taking corners with some tire or sphincter lockup - probably not going to notice.

Cool car! Mean lookin'!
Old 02-05-2006 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Fabio421
If I can get some things done before hand, then I will come. That is if it's OK w. Tarek.

I did some Google research on that Eric Mienck fellow. There are lots of people out there who have been dis-satisfied with his business practices. If he did make this car then its a shame that he had to be so shady. Whoever created it is an artist.
Fabio you're welcome anytime
Old 02-06-2006 | 03:07 AM
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just saw your website. i see why you would want the rear pinned. with 900lb front springs vs my 750 front springs, that would give me a huge push, so that added to your 75 lb softer rear springs, it would be quite a job to get the rear to rotate. so, with that combination, i would say, yes, PIN IT!!

personallly, i would like to go up 50lbs in the rear (500lbs) and up 50-75lbs in the front (800). (just to keep off the bumpstops up front going down the corkscrew!
Mk

Originally Posted by John Veninger
Have to disagree.
Pinned and like it!
Don't do it on a street car.


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