yet another one bashing the 928...
02-02-2006, 07:01 PM
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Brendan, I think Jim R has more HP than Gretch, but I could be wrong. How about Big Bird vs a 951?
Head to one of the coasts, you'll see more. Look at some SpeedGT races from last year and you could see Mark Anderson, Mark Kibort, and maybe Joe Fan (?) mixing it up with the factory teams. There are several that run in the northeast and a few in Virginia. Those are just the dedicated track cars, not street/track. You have to remember that there are a hell of a lot more 944s out there, so you're bound to see a lot more on the track.
Originally Posted by sh944
I'm not throwing gas on the fire here, but at least the 951 guys seem a LOT more willing to prove their mettle on the track and at DE's than the 928 guys do.
02-02-2006, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by sh944
I'm not throwing gas on the fire here, but at least the 951 guys seem a LOT more willing to prove their mettle on the track and at DE's than the 928 guys do. In my experience here in the midwest, its a pretty rare day that you see anyone in a 928 on the track, much less passing anybody.
Originally Posted by sh944
By comparison, there are usually about as many 951's as there are 911's at the local DE's. I'm not saying that the 928 isn't capable of it, but you sure don't see many doing it.
Originally Posted by sh944
I really think the lighter weight of the 951 makes it a lot easier to drive faster on the track than any hp advantage a 928 can have, but it boils down to how the driver uses the capabilities of the car. Its a good bit easier (again, in my opinion) to make a 951 "overacheive" than it is a 928. Ask some of the 911 track guys who have been steamrolled by a run of the mill 951, they usually aren't happy about it. Ask, at the same time, how many times they've been passed by a 928...
Originally Posted by sh944
Most 928 owners feel isolated, even within the Porsche community. If you think its bad for 928 owners, try owning a 968 sometime... you'd amazed at how often I hear "what the heck is that" or "never heard of it before". Trust me, we are much closer related to each other than y'all think! lol Regards,
Originally Posted by sh944
Before y'all get worked up, just know that was just ONE person's comments, and that person is suspected of being a few bricks short of a full load by a lot of us on the 951 boards. There are WAY more 951 owners that have plenty of respect for 928's than share Larts opinion about them. Generally speaking, we 951 owners view 928 owners as kindred spirits and brethern.
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02-02-2006, 07:15 PM
#48
I agree that there are a lot of 944's available, but with the price point on 928's being what it is, I would think that if the power potential was that easy in a 928, you'd still see a lot more of them than you do on the track.
I'm aware of Marc and whatnot, trust me, I am a fan of 928's.
It would just be nice to see more of it, ya know?
Regards,
I'm aware of Marc and whatnot, trust me, I am a fan of 928's.
It would just be nice to see more of it, ya know? Regards,
02-02-2006, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sh944
I agree that there are a lot of 944's available, but with the price point on 928's being what it is, I would think that if the power potential was that easy in a 928, you'd still see a lot more of them than you do on the track.
I'm aware of Marc and whatnot, trust me, I am a fan of 928's. It would just be nice to see more of it, ya know?
Regards,
I'm aware of Marc and whatnot, trust me, I am a fan of 928's.
It would just be nice to see more of it, ya know? Regards,
02-02-2006, 08:15 PM
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"We'd be a lot better off fighting the vette's, vipers and stangs than we would be by dividing our own house."
Scott,
I've always thought this way myself, especially about dividing our own house. I've been exposed to the trash talk too. It seems to me, to just be a lot of testosterone, ego, arrogance, insecurity, or whatever it's called. LOTS of pretty cars out there! MANY more ghastly ones though!
I like a lot of different models, other brands as well. I am glad I have Rosy, and the 356A too. I doubt I'll ever be able to afford a Slant Nose. The early Targa, with the brushed stainless band (?), instead of the later flat black band, is another I liked, but as the early 911's seem to rot too quickly, I doubt I could ever find one in reasonable shape, that would be affordable. Cost is now a large factor, for me. I'm happy where I'm at, but the bike stable needs to dwindle by half, or more!
But, I'm already being accused of having too many cars ( as well as acknowledging that I have WAY too many bikes ), so, adding more to the stable isn't likely....
Scott,
I've always thought this way myself, especially about dividing our own house. I've been exposed to the trash talk too. It seems to me, to just be a lot of testosterone, ego, arrogance, insecurity, or whatever it's called. LOTS of pretty cars out there! MANY more ghastly ones though!
I like a lot of different models, other brands as well. I am glad I have Rosy, and the 356A too. I doubt I'll ever be able to afford a Slant Nose. The early Targa, with the brushed stainless band (?), instead of the later flat black band, is another I liked, but as the early 911's seem to rot too quickly, I doubt I could ever find one in reasonable shape, that would be affordable. Cost is now a large factor, for me. I'm happy where I'm at, but the bike stable needs to dwindle by half, or more!
But, I'm already being accused of having too many cars ( as well as acknowledging that I have WAY too many bikes ), so, adding more to the stable isn't likely....
02-02-2006, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by special tool
...........made 395 RWHP today on 100% pump fuel
Car has 3.875 R&P
Car has 3.875 R&P
Ok so wich one is your real RWHP, 395 or 533? It's not realistic to say that your car makes 533 when this only happens on the dyno and nowhere else! Don't get me wrong, 395rwhp is VERY respectable for a 951.
02-02-2006, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sh944
I agree that there are a lot of 944's available, but with the price point on 928's being what it is, I would think that if the power potential was that easy in a 928, you'd still see a lot more of them than you do on the track.
I'm aware of Marc and whatnot, trust me, I am a fan of 928's. It would just be nice to see more of it, ya know?
Regards,
I'm aware of Marc and whatnot, trust me, I am a fan of 928's.
It would just be nice to see more of it, ya know? Regards,
02-02-2006, 09:53 PM
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Imooo - the car makes 533+ RWHP with race fuel. - (probably closer to 575 with new cam)
395 RWHP is the current max with pump fuel.
Forced induction and race engines are measured on race fuel for max output. Elementary stuff.
395 RWHP is the current max with pump fuel.
Forced induction and race engines are measured on race fuel for max output. Elementary stuff.
02-02-2006, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony
Your power to weight is 4.7 (2510/533) the best 928 i have seen is appz 6.7 (3750/556)
02-02-2006, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by special tool
M21 - cool man. My sister lives in Philly.
If that is your engine in your avatar, I will give you 3 cars in the 1/4 on street tires.
Weight is REAL - I have corner scales
HP is real - multiple dynoed car - made 395 RWHP today on 100% pump fuel
Car has 3.875 R&P
If that is your engine in your avatar, I will give you 3 cars in the 1/4 on street tires.
Weight is REAL - I have corner scales
HP is real - multiple dynoed car - made 395 RWHP today on 100% pump fuel
Car has 3.875 R&P
Both cars on 93 oct pump gas and street tires.
I'll be your huckleberry.
215-760-0201.
PS: Yep, that's my motor.
