The Twin Screw Thread
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I am about to pull my M112 and intake so I can add an IAT sensor for some testing. I believe I have the 2-piece supermodel manifold. I happen to have a set of stock S4 rubber intake gaskets. What is the concensus on what intake gaskets to use during reinstall? I see 4 options:
1) Stock rubber gaskets with 1/8" spacers (McMaster #92415A860): these have shown to work in a couple of other supermodel installs, but DR saw some gasket ripping with his later more sturdy manifold, however it was unclear whether or not the ripping was due to starter fluid during troubleshooting/testing?
2) Stock rubber gaskets with 3/16" spacers (McMaster #92415A861): DR suggested this may not work well with the supermodel intakes
3) DR's 3/32" silicon gaskets
4) Andy's original 3/32" green linoleum with Right Stuff: not a fan of this since I don't think it seals well
Since I already have new stock gaskets, I am inclined to try the 1/8" spacers since they have worked on kits like mine.
Bill B., when you took off your S/C install and sold it, did you see any problems with gasket ripping using the 1/8" spacers?
Ralph, any issues with yours?
EDIT: I missed Bill's post about his gaskets after 2 years with the 1/8" spacers. They were slightly cut up, so this doesn't seem like a good option.
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1) Stock rubber gaskets with 1/8" spacers (McMaster #92415A860): these have shown to work in a couple of other supermodel installs, but DR saw some gasket ripping with his later more sturdy manifold, however it was unclear whether or not the ripping was due to starter fluid during troubleshooting/testing?
2) Stock rubber gaskets with 3/16" spacers (McMaster #92415A861): DR suggested this may not work well with the supermodel intakes
3) DR's 3/32" silicon gaskets
4) Andy's original 3/32" green linoleum with Right Stuff: not a fan of this since I don't think it seals well
Since I already have new stock gaskets, I am inclined to try the 1/8" spacers since they have worked on kits like mine.
Bill B., when you took off your S/C install and sold it, did you see any problems with gasket ripping using the 1/8" spacers?
Ralph, any issues with yours?
EDIT: I missed Bill's post about his gaskets after 2 years with the 1/8" spacers. They were slightly cut up, so this doesn't seem like a good option.
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I did use 944 gaskets. That was on a late version of Andy Keel's intake. The bottom part of it was cast aluminum and quite stiff. However, it was not very smooth and each side was not in the same plane. The supplied linoleum type gaskets wouldn't have worked. When you put the manifold on the heads, it would rock from one corner to the other. It was a sand casting. I milled the gasket mating surfaces until they were flat and in the same plane. No rocking when put on the heads. There were spacers inside to keep the distance between top and bottom the same. The 944 gaskets are thin, but worked just fine. I can't remember what torque was used, but it wasn't a lot. Probably normal torque for an 8mm bolt. I used "The Right Stuff" for the bottom of the gasket and spray on "Copper Coat" for the top so the intake could be taken off easily if it had to come off. I remember putting on The Right Stuff, laying the intake on top and leaving it overnight. Then the next day, I took off the intake and trimmed The Right Stuff where it had squeezed out into the ports. Then sprayed on the Copper Coat and put the intake on for good. I had also port matched the intake to the cylinder heads and rounded the inside top of the port holes in the manifold to aid flow. It was a lot of work, but the engine ran perfect with a lot of power when it was all done.
The 944 gaskets were used mainly because they were thin and I needed all the space under the hood I could get so the SC pulley wouldn't hit the hood.
The 944 gaskets were used mainly because they were thin and I needed all the space under the hood I could get so the SC pulley wouldn't hit the hood.
Dan,
I haven't had any issues with the stock gasket and spacers but the SC has never been off so who knows. Hopefully, I can take a look this winter. Seems I remember Louie using 944 gaskets on a Supermodel install.
By the way are you using an intercooler?
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My car has not been tuned for anything below 5000 feet. Our ambient air pressure is about 2.5 psi less than sea level so there are a lot of load areas on my maps that have never been used yet. My wife will probably have my PC on her lap all the way to Witchita.
Ralph
I haven't had any issues with the stock gasket and spacers but the SC has never been off so who knows. Hopefully, I can take a look this winter. Seems I remember Louie using 944 gaskets on a Supermodel install.
By the way are you using an intercooler?
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My car has not been tuned for anything below 5000 feet. Our ambient air pressure is about 2.5 psi less than sea level so there are a lot of load areas on my maps that have never been used yet. My wife will probably have my PC on her lap all the way to Witchita.
Ralph
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Thanks Bill/Louie/Ralph. Since slightly larger spacers worked for you Bill, I am going to try the stock gaskets with 3/16" spacers. I have a 2.25" pulley, so I think having the assembly sit 3/32" higher will not be a problem. I just have to machine off the Jag 3-bolt bracket on the supercharger, since that is still there. I will probably use Right Stuff on one side of the gasket as added insurance.
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This is slightly off topic; I came to San Diego to visit family this weekend and my Dad bought an SLK 230 for my Mom. It has had some problems passing smog and OBD codes are pretty much related to the secondary injection.
Aside from that, the real reason I am bumping this thread is that the design and setup on this car intrigued me. The Eaton supercharger is mounted in an inverted fashion. This is something I have yet to see on a 928. I am aware the water jacket/thermostat housing as well as the oil filler may may things a little tight here. Of course, those with Eaton setups already have the filler deleted and add oil elsewhere (I don't know how the hell you guys do it since I'm so used to pulling off that damned cap and doing it). I am wondering if anyone has undertaken a project to mount the supercharger inverted on these cars.
Aside from that, the real reason I am bumping this thread is that the design and setup on this car intrigued me. The Eaton supercharger is mounted in an inverted fashion. This is something I have yet to see on a 928. I am aware the water jacket/thermostat housing as well as the oil filler may may things a little tight here. Of course, those with Eaton setups already have the filler deleted and add oil elsewhere (I don't know how the hell you guys do it since I'm so used to pulling off that damned cap and doing it). I am wondering if anyone has undertaken a project to mount the supercharger inverted on these cars.
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Yes it has been attempted a few times, and yes the problem is that thermostat housing and hood clearance issues. If you go back about 2 years 1-9-2010 on this thread you will see a really cool design and attempt or two.
Yes it has been attempted a few times, and yes the problem is that thermostat housing and hood clearance issues. If you go back about 2 years 1-9-2010 on this thread you will see a really cool design and attempt or two.
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On the other hand, check out the engine bay of a C32 AMG. It is pretty much identical to a MAF-less 928 with a top-down twin-screw supercharger. In fact, the air tube configuration is the same too (pulls air from above the radiator and S/C inlet is at the back by the firewall), and it has neat dual side airboxes. The intercooler design/inlet/outlet is very nice too and IMO better than the 928 supermodel design. 109hp/liter @ 14.7psi boost stock.
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I'm going to look for a picture and post it. Somehow I was bitten by the supercharger bug from a 4-cylinder chick car this weekend.
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This isn't the greatest picture, but you get the idea.
I really would like to know how those intercoolers look integrated into the manifolds. I am looking around for this on ebay as I type this.
I really would like to know how those intercoolers look integrated into the manifolds. I am looking around for this on ebay as I type this.
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Kleeman has an aftermarket supercharger for M112 V6s (same V6 in W202-W204 Mercedes). I believe a similar setup may be possible to fit under the hood, but that damn oil filler and water bridge is too high.
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Here is what the C32 intercooler setup looks like. It is neat how the air goes down into the intercooler, then back to the firewall and splits out into two aluminum boxes that have intake runners. That picture you posted of a C32 engine bay is not stock. The intake pipes should be black plastic and there should be silver plastic air boxes by the sides with rectangular filters, like this:
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That setup could work on a 928. I saw something similar designed by Blau928 several pages back. He definitely was on the right track. I don't know where he is at on this right now. The amount of R&D into it makes an old Andy Keel kit look dirt cheap.
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A couple nice twinscrew cutouts from the autoshow in Detroit
Ford's:
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GM:
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Pushers on rockers with pineapple upside down coolers
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Maybe is just me, but it appears they have raised the hems on those piston skirts. Hey the rear on the new Caddie is not too bad either.
Ford's:
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GM:
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Pushers on rockers with pineapple upside down coolers
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Maybe is just me, but it appears they have raised the hems on those piston skirts. Hey the rear on the new Caddie is not too bad either.
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