Intercooling idea?
10-31-2005, 02:05 AM
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Intercooling idea?
Why couldn't I delete the rear A/C cooling coil. Keep the fan in place to cool my amp. (mounted where the coil use to be) reroute the cooling coil to the engine bay and use it to cool the air entering the engine after the supercharger once I install it?
10-31-2005, 02:14 AM
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I suggested this to Andrew Olson for his car. Cooling the intercooler fluid makes more sense than cooling the air. That way you can store the cooling when not using it. If you do it with air, you could add a switch that kicks the A/C on at WOT which is the opposite of what some cars do.
10-31-2005, 08:54 AM
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The rear A/C also has it's own circulation soleniod that you could tie into a switch that monitors the boost. When you get to a preset, predetermined boost level the soleniod opens and the coolins begins.
10-31-2005, 11:42 AM
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I would have the rear A/C on at all times, for cooling the intercooler fluid, and the circulation switch activated at a predetermined boost...unless of course, the amount of fluid in the entire system can be kept at very low temps at all times...in which case A/C always on, and fluid always circulating
I think I may be saying the same thing as some of the comments above...no?
I think I may be saying the same thing as some of the comments above...no?
10-31-2005, 12:19 PM
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There was a thread about this a few weeks back. I believe it started out as a thread about an intercooler upgrade to one of the SC kits and then I mentioned the A/C intercooler option. There may be some usefull info there. Someone mentioned that there are a couple of vehicles that come from the factory with a similar setup. Good luck.
10-31-2005, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Fabio421
There was a thread about this a few weeks back. I believe it started out as a thread about an intercooler upgrade to one of the SC kits and then I mentioned the A/C intercooler option. There may be some usefull info there. Someone mentioned that there are a couple of vehicles that come from the factory with a similar setup. Good luck.
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10-31-2005, 06:32 PM
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IMHO your better off chilling the water in the I/C resivour tank. Theres more energy in water. You can chill it as you drive leasurley around town. When you need it just shut off the ac (less drag on the engine) and you have superchilled water going through your intercooler. Its great for street use. BlownBeast has BTBT. Its not for the faint of heart, but it sure makes for some COLD water when you need it!!
also, dont have your SC system dependent on the use of this chilled cold water for a saftey margin. Make it work on regular means first then use the cold/chilled water system your looking at as an advatage.
Ive read a few stories where Cobras have run excessive amounts of boost using water injection to get there..... the water injection system fails for whatever reason doesnt, it produce the desired result and doesnt work ...boom...one time and its all over!
also, dont have your SC system dependent on the use of this chilled cold water for a saftey margin. Make it work on regular means first then use the cold/chilled water system your looking at as an advatage.
Ive read a few stories where Cobras have run excessive amounts of boost using water injection to get there..... the water injection system fails for whatever reason doesnt, it produce the desired result and doesnt work ...boom...one time and its all over!
10-31-2005, 06:38 PM
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I still say you have the most repeatable and efficient system with an air to air intercooler. Agreed, the water injection is a band-aid 1/2 assed approach...why place the safety of the engine on a fluid that is consumed or a system that can fail?...that is stupid.
The experts tell me the best effort air to water will yield about 65% steady state, where an air-air unit will make high 70% into the 80% arena.
I saw a unit on here not too long ago from Delta-P...it was quite unique in its mounting approach. Hard to argue with Andy's clean intake/IC setup for the TS setups...it is a nice design for sure. I still say for max effort street and track to stay air to air...just have to hunt for the space on the shark.
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The experts tell me the best effort air to water will yield about 65% steady state, where an air-air unit will make high 70% into the 80% arena.
I saw a unit on here not too long ago from Delta-P...it was quite unique in its mounting approach. Hard to argue with Andy's clean intake/IC setup for the TS setups...it is a nice design for sure. I still say for max effort street and track to stay air to air...just have to hunt for the space on the shark.
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10-31-2005, 07:13 PM
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Kuhn, where are you getting these numbers? How are they compared? Two intercoolers that are the same physical size cannot have the efficiancy numbers that you stated in your post. Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to argue with you. But I don't think you can just state those efficiency numbers without at least stating their sizes relative to one another. Size is always the hang up with the air to air intercoolers. Is there enough room for a small heat exchanger in the front fenders where the horns etc. are located? I'm sure Tarek has plenty 'O' room in those large fenders of his widebody.
10-31-2005, 08:19 PM
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Tony - I talked to Rob at SF, and he mentioned, IIRC, that he runs the AC most of the time. Gets frost on the intercooler.
I'll have to talk to him about where he braches from on the OEM system. I'm not sure if he was using the rear AC lines.
I'll have to talk to him about where he braches from on the OEM system. I'm not sure if he was using the rear AC lines.
10-31-2005, 08:20 PM
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A. Graham Bell suggests that Air to water intercoolers are more often then not much better pound for pound and space for space then air to air.
10-31-2005, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by BrendanC
A. Graham Bell suggests that Air to water intercoolers are more often then not much better pound for pound and space for space then air to air.
This is common sence, you don't need Bell telling you this!
When it comes to heat transfer water is 500 times better at it then air.
10-31-2005, 09:26 PM
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This is common sence, you don't need Bell telling you this! When it comes to heat transfer water is 500 times better at it then air.
When it comes to heat transfer water is 500 times better at it then air.It is common sense. To me, to you, to supercharger kit makers, etc.
Its not to John, so I felt the need to back u p my statement with something else other then my statement.
10-31-2005, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by BrendanC
It is common sense. To me, to you, to supercharger kit makers, etc.
Its not to John, so I felt the need to back u p my statement with something else other then my statement.
Its not to John, so I felt the need to back u p my statement with something else other then my statement.
